@speedyd900rr said:

LOL...We need a thread to track Athens's predictions for the draft. Athens, how about starting an "on the record" draft predictions thread for yourself? Kind of your own mock draft.

@kingphisher said:

Hey now, dont knock Oaksterdam University. If it wasn't for them people would have to learn how to use medical marijuana on their own lol.

@athensbuck26 said:

no arm and short

Holmgren and Mangini LOVE clausen they brought in Charlie weiss to talk about him and sent out Bernie Kosar to interview clausen and they were the 1st team to interview him at the combine

Did you really predict McCoy in the 6th round "at best"? You obviously have a degree from Oaksterdam University. All mocks have him at the top of the 2nd at worst. I think you also said the Haden was the 11th best CB in the draft (though he's still the consensus #1 even after running a slow combine time). I can see you are passionate about football, but have some common sense.

@kingphisher said:

McCoy doenst have an Arm period.

i never said big arm he struggles to make passes past 3 yards

@athensbuck26 said:

And somebody failed Joke Getting 101.

WSS

@athensbuck26 said:

no arm and short

Holmgren and Mangini LOVE clausen they brought in Charlie weiss to talk about him and sent out Bernie Kosar to interview clausen and they were the 1st team to interview him at the combine

WCO does not require a big arm (short quick passes). Even Quinn fits that bill (though I would not be inclined to give him that chance after last years garbage).

@ballpeen said:

someone failed reading comprehention

@kingphisher said:

McCoy is 6th round at best

no arm and short

Holmgren and Mangini LOVE clausen they brought in Charlie weiss to talk about him and sent out Bernie Kosar to interview clausen and they were the 1st team to interview him at the combine

@athensbuck26 said:

Good Grief! Holmgren and Heckert are not that stupid. He has not drafted a qb higher than the 3rd round, ever! I could see a reach for McCoy if he is still there in the 2nd, but definitely not Clausen.

@athensbuck26 said:

Why would Clausen be brought to Mentor??

While watching, all those nice throws down the sidelines...I kept thinking how BQ would have thrown those passes 5 yards out of bounds.

Right there, is why DumbAss and the Flighty Quinn are Not For Long.

Wallace can REALLY make all those throws.

THANKS for the LINK !

@choco said:

The thing is the fans have no choice in the matter, and they just say who they want. Do you think a coach, GM, or owner actually listen to the fans?? The coach, GM, or owner usually make the final decisions on who plays and that is why I'm don't like the idea of coaches, owners, etc.. pulling in players because coached them in the past. Look at what Mangenious did bringing in all those Jet players last year. It seemed he didn't care who he already had at Cleveland, but just wanted to bring in is own guys.

@mopaji said:

This team isn't going anywhere any way. It's still a long way away from a superbowl. If we could get some consistency at QB, and stop rotating them out every time they have a bad game, just maybe this team would play better. I'm not a Brady "homer", but I would like to see someone in there for a definite time period. Every rookie QB takes his lump, but gets better as they get experience. How do you get better or experienced when you keep pulling the guy after 1 or 2 bad games??

@maddogg7888 said:

who wouldnt want the guy for a 5th or 6th pick

Man, that's not a bad highlight package. Good post. Obviously it's hard to tell by just watching highlights but it seems like he is pretty effective in the red zone. He's got a farily quick release and he can fly. I wouldn't mind watching him this year if we don't find another option. He's never been "the guy". Holmgren says it's important to put all your resourses into one "guy". I'm willing to try him out. I think he could be a decent WCO QB.

@dawg08 said:

for that matter, whats with the fans that display the same "homeristic" preferences?

@dawg08 said:

Really?? Seneca Wallace?? I think Ratcliff is better than him. I am so over this QB situation. Let Quinn start the season and let him see what he can do for the 1st 6 or 7 games. This merry-go-round of QB's is a joke!!

So. we give Quinn 6 or 7 games to stink and then switch QBs because "This merry-go-round of QB's is a joke!!"........?????

Really?? Seneca Wallace?? I think Ratcliff is better than him. I am so over this QB situation. Let Quinn start the season and let him see what he can do for the 1st 6 or 7 games. This merry-go-round of QB's is a joke!!

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/...03/post_19.html

As I posted on another thread about wallace, he may not be a super-star starter but he's solid. He keeps his cool. Not only has he been a solid back-up in seattle, the guy is smart. Not some idiot that's going to mouth off to the media or have off-field issues. Sure he's made some mistakes in games but that's going to happen off the bench, especially with the lack of support in the form of a decent line the seahawks have had.

When hasselbeck was down wallace played with a tweaked groin and that limited his usually stellar ability to scramble; he still played fairly well in those games despite his biggest asset being taken away from him.

I've never been a browns fan (not a hater just never a fan) but you can bet if he makes it as your starter I'll be watching every week. Seneca is FUN to watch. And he can play receiver as well so look for him to have a lot of fun back there with Cribbs.

If i were you guys, I'd be excited. I always thought when hasselbeck was done here, Seneca would get his chance to prove something, and it sucks that he won't get that chance here in seattle but more power to him being a starter.

I saw your QB's play last year, so anyone already saying he can't cut it should give him a shot first.