@ballpeen said:

he meant throw, not through.

@halfsane said:

There's something called "roster space". If,and I have no solid evidence of this,just a gut feeling,the Browns brain trust have indeed given up on quinn then the smart move is to free up space for either a free agent or a draftee to hold the spot that quinn currently occupies.

@ballpeen said:

Just my way of saying GET RID OF BOTH OF THEM.

@medicineman said:

Sorry, I just don't understand what you are trying to say????

@moonlitknight said:

As long as he is gone Im happy.

@medicineman said:

Good point, why is robert royal still on our roster?

@moonlitknight said:

In a straight up trade, I agree. To big a chance for the flop factor to kiss the other GM.

Quinn as a toss in on a bigger trade is very possible.

Rather than Quinn being the focus of the deal for the other team, he is just a sweetener the other GM can point to.

The 100% truth of the matter is last season no one at QB did much of anything positive. Part of that was in the youngness of the WR corp, the other part was the fact those guys just weren't that good. I believe the scouting caught up to DA and they realized what his tendancies were and took away his strengths. On the Quinn side of things, he's shown me SERIOUS flaws in his game as a pro-level QB. You've got to be able to make simple throws and at least connect once and awhile on a pass over 20 yards. I have a feeling Brady had two issue's with us... 1) He was NEVER that good and 2) His confidence has become rattled because of the way he's played.

As it stands, i think he's just going to go down as another 1st round QB flop, which seems to happen more often than we realize in the NFL.

@drunkandstoopid said:

I have been told over and over by knowledgeable fans on this board that "this is Quinn's team". This whole trade talk stuff is just a bunch of rabblerousers trying to stir up trouble.

You just wanted to say "rabblerousers"

Awesome word!

I have been told over and over by knowledgeable fans on this board that "this is Quinn's team". This whole trade talk stuff is just a bunch of rabblerousers trying to stir up trouble.

@earl34 said:

Link to the quote?

Don't have it eh?

I do know one thing, Holmgren IS on record as saying in response to another QB competition in camp this year; "They (The Browns) did that last year. And that didn't work out,"......."Somebody's got to play a full season. Not two games here, out two games, in three games. . . . It doesn't work," he said, according to the Cleveland newspaper. "So pick one, commit, coach him up, build confidence, make him better and then surround him with good people."

So, Holmgren himself says there won't be a QB comp. this year. But, then he brings in Wallace...who's a career backup...Well, if Holmgren stated he doesn't want a QB comp. then Wallace isn't coming here to start. He is a valuable backup and will serve the same role here.

Now, will Quinn be the starter or a vet come in? Looking at the last part of the quote straight from Holmgren...that quote describes EXACTLY what happened to Quinn last year. Getting pulled and put back in and jerked around by a new staff and had no help offensively.

I think Holmgren is doing what he's stated. He's going to surround Quinn with good people (better players and better management) and give him the full season to develop and "build confidence".

People compared it to the Rivers/Brees scenario.

I don't know why I actually liked Savage. How was I so blind to these horrible moves he kept making. In one off-season he traded a second for Corey Williams and signed him to a ridiculous 6-year contract. He signed Stallworth to a ridiculous 6-year contract. He traded a future 3rd for either Bell or Rucker, can't remember. And then he turned down a 1st and a 3rd for Anderson and Quinn and gave DA a 3-year 27 million dollar contract that made him untradeable. IN ONE OFFSEASON!

That's like if the cavs were to use a bunch of cap space in one offseason on Larry Hughes, Damon Jones, and Donyell Marshall!!! Shoot that actually happened. (Ferry has made up for it since)

This doesn't count the trade he made the year before for Quinn.

UGH...

Thank goodness Eric Mangini knew how to be a hatchet-man for a year and gave Holmgren a decent situation to work with. We have got to have a ton of money to work with after cutting Williams, Lewis, and Anderson.

If we traded Quinn and Rogers our O-line would probably make up half of our player salary!

@junkyard-dawg said:

RAC realized he wasn't an NFL QB

Phil Sewage came to his senses and realized he blew a 1st rounder, not a NFL QB

Eric Mangini realizes after a few games the kid xxxxing blows

George Kokinis no doubt realized Quinn sucks ass

Mike Holmgren, who KNOWS THE QB POSITION, quickly sees what the rest all seen and sees Queen is SO xxxxING TERRIBLE a 34 year old has been with a shitty elbow is an UPGRADE!

Give it a rest, Brady Nation. Your boy is utter garbage. Always has been. Always will be. Excuses be damned, both HC's and every GM we have had since he was drafted have realized the fact. No conspiracies, no throwing the CLEVELAND BROWNS under the bus making excuses for him, HE IS NOT GOOD.

That was very well said. Im glad to hear people agree with me that Quinn needs to go.

Haven't seen Stanton play, whats ur thoughts on him? is he a FA, RFA, or under contract so we would have to make a trade?

@cambridgeho said:

I think it would go over well if the Broncos were f*cking Retarded.

@socaldog said:

Horrible OL

No Running Game til late in the season

Rookie WR's

A crappy OC learning on the job

New O System....

Yep, let's blame the QB for all of our problems and never give him a full season to see what we drafted..... and bring in a 35 yr old who throws more INT's than DA and just lost his job to a sure fire future HOFer named ...uhhh...Matt Moore? Yeah, sounds like a good plan for our future to me!

This is why the Browns have sucked for so long.....

Mike Holmgren knows all of the above. Mike Holmgren says Brady Quinn ISN'T the guy. Enough said.