@pumpkin-eater said:

haha he said teabag its catching on like wildfire don't forget about teblow

@athensbuck26 said:

Holgren has pretty much said himself Clausen is the pick if berry is not there

Holgren might have said that.

But I don't recall Holmgren saying anything of the sort.

@kshutchins said:

You are a funny lady! And you can't be that funny without being smart! Thanks for being part of the board!

@alo said:

As will everybody else. It's gonna depend on Seattle. If Carrol doesn't take him, he will drop like a stone.

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LOL, btw, I really appreciate you being here.

@the-gipper said:

(and where does Sipe fall?)

If it's a strict 1-10 scale, I'd say Jimmy falls somewhere on the below 5 side of the middle. I'd say 4ish on a good day for someone in his age range. That particular picture isn't very flattering so may drop him down a bit on the scale. The picture of a jewelry-laden Jimmy Clausen in a white fur coat reminds me of Joe Namath. (Never could understand what girls saw in Namath. I think he's one homely dude.)

On a strict 1-10 scale Brian Sipe, back in the day, would have definitely landed somewhere around a 12 (in the "makes ovaries jump for joy" category). Recent photos would suggest that there hasn't been much of a decline.

Speaking for myself and most women I know, it's a sliding scale with many subcategories, including negative numbers and fractions as well as bonus points for intangibles and special talents ... but we don't dwell on it.

@kshutchins said:

As for prospective QBs, I'd love some eye candy a la Brian Sipe but I'd settle for football talent over looks any day of the week and twice on game day.

But K, you didn't answer the question. Where does Jimmy Clausen fall on the 1 to 10 scale?

(and where does Sipe fall?)

Also, comparing a QB who hasn't played a down to Phillip Rivers? Wow, just wow.

@athensbuck26 said:

I am trying to see how this article is a year old, being that it was written at the end of November 2009 and we are in the middle of March.

Brilliant. Real brilliant. You go to college at Pitt or something?

@the-gipper said:

If we would rate these girls a 1 or a 2 on the beauty scale, I suspect Clausen would rate a 1 or a 2 on the handsome scale.

I think we need a female perspective on this.

Any help by the women on the board out there would be greatly appreciated

Well, I've never considered myself much of a beauty so I'm not too critical of others in the appearance department. The only exception is beauty pageants. Anyone in a pageant is there for the purpose of being judged so I'm happy to oblige.

As for prospective QBs, I'd love some eye candy a la Brian Sipe but I'd settle for football talent over looks any day of the week and twice on game day.

@peterbell said:

Unfortunatly no corners from Air force or Navy will be playing in the NFL. Hey Clausen is going to get his shot.no doubt, but to think he is a lock for the Browns is a bit of a reach. I'm also concerned his Wonderlic wasn't great.

I agree. The issue isn't whether he's worth a high draft pick. In my mind he's certainly one of the top three QBs in this draft and possibly the second best after a healthy Sam Bradford. While there are things to like about him like the one great junior season that he had and the toughness that he plays with I am very concerned about his deep throws which he puts a lot of air under and his decision making.

Lastly, while the article referencing his immaturity is a year old, I would hardly call it irrelevant Athensbuck. On the contrary, if you are making this guy a top ten pick in the draft his character issues need to be acceptable. The same issues from that article were brought up in the case of Ryan Leaf and the Chargers paid dearly for ignoring it. As a matter of fact, they were lucky because it only set them back 4-5 years.

I can't help but notice your repeated use of absolutes in describing Clausen and your insistence that he's not like the media portrays. Absolutes are not the best way to sway the undecideds towards your argument and they give those whose opinion differs easy ammunition. The insistence that the old article is wrong and that he's a "changed" or different guy is to suggest that you know him personally which would either help or hurt your credibility on the issue.

The numbers don't lie but they can certainly be skewed. I could sit here and whine about my guy Colt McCoy's 45 career wins or Tebow's 2 National Championships (or his Tears of Healing) but that certainly hasn't convinced any skeptics regarding their causes so far.

Unfortunatly no corners from Air force or Navy will be playing in the NFL. Hey Clausen is going to get his shot.no doubt, but to think he is a lock for the Browns is a bit of a reach. I'm also concerned his Wonderlic wasn't great.

@athensbuck26 said:

Holgren has pretty much said himself Clausen is the pick if berry is not there

Whaaaaat? You must be the man formerly known as Lumburgh to be so obsessed with a QB.

@athensbuck26 said:

Holgren has pretty much said himself Clausen is the pick if berry is not there

So he said we're taking Berry and if not him then Clausen? Wow, that's pretty specific Athens are you his landscaper or something? How do you know that? When did he say that? And considering you misinterprated the original article, I'm banking on the fact that you're spinning something Holmgren may have said. Not to mention, he's not drafting anybody and if he were, he wouldn't tell anybody. AND if he were to tip his hand it's a bluff to get offers when Clausen falls. Nobody announces who they are going to pick unless they are #1 and it doesn't matter.

@athensbuck26 said:

I will never argue the stats athens, they are accurate. The problem is, and what you're not seeing, is the reason WHY he has those stats. I hate repeating myself but I will. When evaluating college QBs all the stats do is get scouts to pay attention. What you really look for is intelligence, arm strength, poise, leadership, accuracy, and how much of the field they use when completing passes. Clausen cannot make every throw in the NFL. He will get picked off 30 times a year if he tries that "flutter ball" crap in the NFL. And if you live and die with bubble screens and flats, you will never get a first down in the NFL. We saw that in the 2nd Baltimore game last year with Quinn. They played with one saftey all day and dared Quinn to take a shot. He can't and so he didn't and we couldn't move the ball. Do you want to know why Quinn gets sacked so much? Because he will not attempt a pass 15 yards or further because it will take too long to get there and will get picked. He knows this. And when the play calls for a deep shot, it goes out of bounds because he cannot control his "flutter ball" and he would rather throw an incomplete than an int. And yet, he had excellent numbers in college. And oh yeah, it was the same system Clausen played in.

I'm sorry Athens but Wiess' system is great for the college game but college football and the NFL are like two different sports. Every one of us on this board have been wrong or have had our minds changed by other members. We have all admitted it and given credit where it's due. Maybe it's your turn.

@mopaji said:

even though the facts 100% disagre with you

Holgren has pretty much said himself Clausen is the pick if berry is not there

@pumpkin-eater said:

They got to gloat for 24 hours after DA was cut. And now, with Quinn getting shopped around, they are on to the next metrosexual with a golden dome. But don't worry, this guy is not coming anywhere near Berea. Heckert/Mangini/Holmgren have already shown that they know QBs and if Seattle doesn't take him at 6, he will drop like a stone. (remember Brady Quinn?)

@mopaji said:

strongest arm out of the past 2-3 draft classes

Brett Farve got a 15

Aaaand read the bold type below....He says he runs the toughest scheme because he is on national TV every week and has to perform.

and he has had the best year out of any JR QB in NCAA history TD-INT ratio wise

@speedyd900rr said:

I thought Jimmy was on the left?

Hey Athens, read the bold type above. He agrees with me. The scheme is simplified at the college level an it makes QBs look better than they are. Look at Clausens' abilities. No arm so he floats balls passed 15 yards, can't make decisions. Bradford got a 38 on the wunderlic-sp? Clausen got a 23. The max is 50.

Aaaand read the bold type below....He says he runs the toughest scheme because he is on national TV every week and has to perform.

Clausen isn't executing an easy scheme - he is executing the toughest scheme on the national stage. Every week the camera is on him, and every week he delivered. If Notre Dame's defense was just above average, this team would have won 10 games.

@pumpkin-eater said:

so you rather go 0-16 every year with no TDs all year