@old-dawg said:

I would like to meet Lums in person, too. He seems knowledgable, and frankly, I would take a guy like him, ANY DAY over an ass hat who is so frustrated that he starts boasts about fistfights.

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@lumbergh said:

Lumbergh,

I was sitting at a sports bar eating wings and watching this shit, people were laughing their assess of when Quinn got unceremoniously shit canned.

I have to laugh as well.

@dtbh said:

No it is not that he is happy that the Browns won or lost, just that DA got to play some more, he could care less if the Browns lose or win!

@lumbergh said:

HOW DO YOU LIKE THAT O-FACE?

What? Are you starting him on Madden??? Fuk OFF!!! Lums, I would love to meet you in person...........for you, not so good!!!

@choco said:

It wasn't a game - it was a Gong Show! RAC just gonged himself out of Cleveland and he also gonged season ticket holders away from the stadium. That place is going to be as quiet as a Library the next time they play home. I doubt the food vendors will even show up. It's THAT bad!

- Tom F.[ (DA is the ONLY QB in both conferences that the opposing team doesn't want to hurt. He's just too valuable to them)/b]

@lumbergh said:

Thank the Lord we have your BOY Derek to bail us out, huh?

No?

He sucked?

this sounds bad on all fronts....

@bigred said:

My take on the benching is Crennel defied management and went with his guy and signed his formal release at the end of the year if not sooner

@drunkandstoopid said:

If your good you don't take that chance com'n man really!

@drunkandstoopid said:

That might might be the meanest but most accurate thing ever said about Dumb Ass. Good job by a great screen name.

I'd rather watch paint dry than DA taking snaps. He can't even hand off without complications. The stadium emptied out down to pissed off food & beverage vendors getting unpaid when the surrender flag with a #3 jersey entered the game.

- Tom F.

@preacher said:

1. Brady is hurt. Period. It is his index finger of his throwing hand, is it not? That is the last finger on the ball when you throw it, and creates a lot of control. There is NO way to judge BQ if he is injured.

2. Yes, you DO need to let a rookie (this is his first year on the field, so in essence, he is a rookie) play through his problems and mistakes. This year is over for the Browns. SO you let BQ try to figure out how to play through injuries, how to deal with INT's etc.

3. IMO he was probably pulled out because the finger was getting too painful. However, I don't have anything to place that on except common sense.

4. If RAC did pull him for his play, it is proof positive of an internal civil war in the organization. That is not a good sign. Why? Because if you all REALLY want Cowher, he won't go NEAR that type of situation. He will want full control of the players and who does and does not play. Also, Cowher does not value QB's like many others do.

Preacher, as most times good stuff.

1. Index finger is what is hurt. That doesn't really affect the throw. The pinky is actually more crucial.

2. Exactly! The first pick was a rookie mistake. He didn't read the DL guy dropping back in coverage. Happens to experience pros, let alone rookies. Second pick, as much on BE.

3. Quinn's reaction to being benched said it all. It wasn't the finger.

4. No kidding. I think this is again all about RAC. This goes back to him not playing Harrison earlier, Quinn earlier, and other young guys. Cowher will want control, but I think like he ended up with at the end of the PIT days with Colbert. Roster control and input in the draft. But he was willing to let someone else shop for the grocieries, but he wants input on the ingredients. Which nothing wrong with that. If Phil was a smart man, that is the perfect fit for him.

People forget, early on RAC had more control. But as he showed he couldn't judge talent or craft it, it was slowly taken away from him.

@bigred said:

This has been covered numerous times. The ravens had Boller, a back up guy, and DA on the roster. DA had a pretty good preseason performance when he got in. The plan was to keep him as #3 and see if he could step into the backup role. Backup QB gets injured and is going to be out for 5-6 weeks, so rather than have DA as the first backup, they bring on another short term QB, stop playing DA in preseason and plan to hide him and hope he clears waivers after the last cut so they can put him on the practice squad and develop him as next year's backup... but the Browns jumped on him the moment he hit the waiver list. The rest is history.

1. Brady is hurt. Period. It is his index finger of his throwing hand, is it not? That is the last finger on the ball when you throw it, and creates a lot of control. There is NO way to judge BQ if he is injured.

2. Yes, you DO need to let a rookie (this is his first year on the field, so in essence, he is a rookie) play through his problems and mistakes. This year is over for the Browns. SO you let BQ try to figure out how to play through injuries, how to deal with INT's etc.

3. IMO he was probably pulled out because the finger was getting too painful. However, I don't have anything to place that on except common sense.

4. If RAC did pull him for his play, it is proof positive of an internal civil war in the organization. That is not a good sign. Why? Because if you all REALLY want Cowher, he won't go NEAR that type of situation. He will want full control of the players and who does and does not play. Also, Cowher does not value QB's like many others do.

@lumbergh said:

Derek's Homecoming Princess speaks. How did your boyfriend do in relief? I thought so. When DA entered the game all that was left in the seats were the beer vendors, popcorn vendors and peanut vendors. You woulda thought the booing would stop or quiet down some but they were pissed DA screwed up MORE business on them. Geee, who woulda thunk it?

- Tom F.

@lumbergh said:

About 60% of the folks on this Forum bitch and moan about this team more than a PMS ravaged woman ...Congratulations for having so many "ladies "on this site...There is hatred spewed here against your fellow Browns fans every day ....This is what I see

Good to very good O-Line (best you've had in years ) your center is a little weak (losing Bentley hurt)...You need back up Depth here

Above average receiving corps ...BE is a problem (attitude) the Ocho Cinco of Cleveland.... Getting Jerivicus back will help

Two QB's that could grow into something good . I see more potential in BQ than DA

Running Backs ...JL is tough but on the decline ..Harrison is a good one , but not an every down back . This is a position which needs to be addressed

Defensive line ...Coming on ...SR is a very destructive force .need to have better 2 gap ends to stop the run

LB'S ...This is the weakest part of your Team ..You need two starters and 2 good back ups ...McGinnest is 76 years old

DB's Again a major weakness .Wright will be a good one ...There is nothing else back here though ..You need to build Defense from the front line , back .Get a REAL front seven then this group will be helped and you can fill in DB's as time goes on ...

I really believe, as an outsider, that your team is three years away from the Playoffs and being able to go far in the playoffs .Two years from now you could get in but probably not able to get to the Super Bowl . UNTIL you start to address SEVERAL positions on the Defense , you will not go far ....It took you 7 years to address the O-Line ...You need to hope the GM doesn't take that long to address the Defense ...Through the Draft too. That's how you build a Team that can sustain for several years .........Young guys who are hungry and will push some of the VETS who are "quitting" when times get tough ...Build toughness through the Draft

@orangenotbrown said:

If DA is so great why would the ravens have released him?

@orangenotbrown said:

Don't worry, DA fan. He won't be able to use that excuse next year.

What a mess yinz guys are.

Regards

..... an'at

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@brownsfan17 said:

his excuse is he plays for the cleveland browns?

@bigred said:

They also had a good defense. And I bet their receivers didn't drop nearly as many good balls.

@attila said:

Tom brady did all the time until randy moss got there. He never had great WR.

@kamac19 said:

You give Tom Brady or Favre our shitty receivers and as many injuries and inconsistencies as we have given DA this year and they won't perform very well either. Don't get me wrong, I think Quinn will be good. And I hope he does extremely well no matter who he plays for. But Pulling Anderson 3 weeks ago was stupid. Quinn hasn't done anything that DA couldn't do. The QB isn't the problem. Trent Dilfer was dead on.