@the-gipper said:

You know that I was just yanking your chain with the guitar comment 

Oh absolutely

And any publicity is good publicity

Let me rephrase that, I try not to miss an opportunity to promote our wares

@axe said:

I keep bringing it up? WTF are you talking about?

You posted " Some peckerwood troll claimed that Ohio had the Five most miserable cities in the country per Forbes magazine ""..

Then someone  posted a link to the Forbes magazine article in which 5  Ohio cities" WERE listed!! Talk about obtuse.. ?

I could say that Axe is a shitty guitar player with 5 thumbs on each hand.   Would you not want to take issue, and argue with that? 

I honestly wouldn't give a shit. You get used to people that don't like what you do along with those that do.. As long as those that do greatly outnumber those that don't then I'm happy..

Here.. I'll prove I'm a shitty guitarist.. The latest release "Against My Will"

You know that I was just yanking your chain with the guitar comment 

@the-gipper said:

I keep bringing it up? WTF are you talking about?

You posted " Some peckerwood troll claimed that Ohio had the Five most miserable cities in the country per Forbes magazine ""..

Then someone  posted a link to the Forbes magazine article in which 5  Ohio cities" WERE listed!! Talk about obtuse.. ?

I could say that Axe is a shitty guitar player with 5 thumbs on each hand.   Would you not want to take issue, and argue with that? 

I honestly wouldn't give a shit. You get used to people that don't like what you do along with those that do.. As long as those that do greatly outnumber those that don't then I'm happy..

Here.. I'll prove I'm a shitty guitarist.. The latest release "Against My Will"

@axe said:

Why? I'm not a blind homer, .. Plus it was damn near 10 yrs ago..  Who gives a shit?

You, apparently...since you keep bringing it up.

The man posted a link to a Forbes list as of 2010.. This was at the time when you started this misguided thread.. There ARE 5 Ohio cities on that Forbes list...  You stated " Some peckerwood troll claimed that Ohio had the Five most miserable cities in the country per Forbes magazine".. I don't know who this guy is/was or if he was the "peckerwood troll" you referred to because this was before my time here.. But the man DID break it off in your ass with proof.. That much is inarguable.. And THAT was my point...All the rest has been silly deflection...

Why use a one time puppet name of baseballboomhaue? No idea.. Maybe the Forbes writer's last name holds a clue.. Perhaps he simply wanted to escape the pointless rage googling...

Does your obtuseness know no bounds.  Forbes...or whomever can claim whatever they want...and I am free to challenge what they claim...based on their own criteria.   I challenged it then and showed it was BS...based on their own criteria....and I challenged it again just now...8-9 years later...based on their own criteria, and again showed that it was BS. 

You say, apparently that you can't argue with what someone says.....simply because they say it.  Why then, Can I make any unsubstantiated statement about anything and have you declare it incapable or being argued with?

I could say that Axe is a shitty guitar player with 5 thumbs on each hand.   Would you not want to take issue, and argue with that? 

(by the way, the same said Forbes magazine stated that my son's school, Kenyon, had the most beautiful college campus in the world.  I didn't disagree with that.....but maybe other would.   So, you see, it can all be subjective sometimes.  But when you set out specific criteria...and do NOT adhere to that...you are subject to challenge.

@the-gipper said:

The hell I can't argue with what he posted. Why  on earth would you ever think that bullshit is inarguable?

Why? I'm not a blind homer, .. Plus it was damn near 10 yrs ago..  Who gives a shit?

The man posted a link to a Forbes list as of 2010.. This was at the time when you started this misguided thread.. There ARE 5 Ohio cities on that Forbes list...  You stated " Some peckerwood troll claimed that Ohio had the Five most miserable cities in the country per Forbes magazine".. I don't know who this guy is/was or if he was the "peckerwood troll" you referred to because this was before my time here.. But the man DID break it off in your ass with proof.. That much is inarguable.. And THAT was my point...All the rest has been silly deflection...

Why use a one time puppet name of baseballboomhaue? No idea.. Maybe the Forbes writer's last name holds a clue.. Perhaps he simply wanted to escape the pointless rage googling...

Highly...highly subjective.  

I have ALWAYS said a winter in Cleveland is better than a summer anywhere in the south.

Here is one opinion....which includes bad cold weather cities, and bad hot weather cities:

https://www.bobvila.com/slideshow/these-30-places-have-the-worst-weather-in-america-51814#lubbock-weather

So...Cleveland better than Houston/LA/Orlando/Jacksonville/Tampa/Portland/Seattle/New Orleans/Mobile/Dallas/Las Vegas/Phoenix/Tuscon

So  Bob Vila agrees essentially with me.

Cleveland's is not good,  may just in or just outside the Top Ten....but no worse than all these towns ahead of it:

https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/most-dangerous-cities-in-the-united-states.html

While Cleveland could have had this claim for a while....it is no longer the case:

Cavs  4 straight finals and a title.  Indians in the World Series.

Compare to these:  

San Diego...no title since 1963.  Two teams left town.   Clippers/Chargers

Buffalo...no title since 1965.

Milwaukee...no title since 1971....unless you count the Packers

Portland...not title since 1977

Salt Lake City....no title since early 70s

While these are newer markets....places like Charlotte/Nashville/Memphis/Orlando/Jacksonville/Las Vegas/OK City/ and others have never had a team win a title.

This website gives the worst cities in America...combining groud/water/air

https://www.forbes.com/2011/02/28/most-toxic-cities-personal-finance_slide.html#199bcecb49a8

Cleveland NOT listed.

https://www.businessinsider.com/worst-commutes-in-us-ranked-2019-6

Cleveland not in the Top 50 of worst commute times

https://www.businessinsider.com/state-and-local-income-and-sales-taxes-in-the-25-biggest-us-cities-2019-3

Cleveland NOT in the top 25 in taxes among major US cities.

https://www.bls.gov/web/metro/laummtrk.htm

Cleveland at  4.7%.  About average for all US metro areas.

All of the following had higher:

@axe said:

Can't argue with what he posted ..

It's old but at the time very relevant. There were 5 Ohio cities on the list in his link from Forbes.

The hell I can't argue with what he posted. Why  on earth would you ever think that bullshit is inarguable?

Again...here are the criteria that the article he posted used:

Our Misery Measure takes into account:

unemployment,

taxes (both sales and income),

commute times,

violent crime

and how its pro sports teams have fared over the past two years. We also factored in two indexes put together by Portland, Ore., researcher Bert Sperling that gauge

weather and

Superfund pollution sites.  (Superfund sites are ground pollution issues. Why is not air and water pollution a factor as well?

Lastly we considered corruption based on convictions of public officials in each area as tracked by the Public Integrity Section of the U.S. Department of Justice.  (I am trying to figure out how this particular matter has anything to do with overall happiness)

I guess I could go through these all again and demonstrate how Cleveland is NOT anywhere near at the top of these lists than many, many other cities. 

If I were to get updated to 2018 data....similar to what I had put on here before, again, I can guarantee that a city like San Diego suffers even worse in all these categories than does Cleveland.  Hell...as I said, they had another sports team leave town....where Cleveland had teams in the sports championship finals 5 times in the last  5-6 years. 

It's old but at the time very relevant. There were 5 Ohio cities on the list in his link from Forbes.

@the-gipper said:

Not sure what you are referring to. 

The guy that wrote the second Post in this thread.

Has contributed one post and that's the bitch about Cleveland I'm smelling troll.

WSS

@westside-steve said:

So who is this baseball Boomhauer? 1 Post?

WSS

Not sure what you are referring to. 

WSS

@mjp28 said:

Well my old favorite Forbes magazine 20 happiest and unhappiest cities in 2019........hello Ohio?  

Top 20 Happiest Cities in America https://www.forbes.com/sites/laurabegleybloom/2019/03/12/20-happiest-and-20-unhappiest-cities-in-america/#7a6bad483a70

1. Plano, Texas
2. Irvine, California
3. Madison, Wisconsin
4. Fremont, California
5. Huntington Beach, California
6. Fargo, North Dakota
7. Grand Prairie, Texas
8. San Jose, California
9. Scottsdale, Arizona
10. San Francisco, California
11. Bismarck, North Dakota
12. Overland Park, Kansas
13. Santa Rosa, California
14. Austin, Texas
15. Sioux Falls, South Dakota
16. Pearl City, Hawaii
17. Glendale, California
18. San Diego, California
19. St. Paul, Minnesota
20. Charleston, South Carolina

20 Unhappiest Cities in America

1. Detroit, Michigan
2. Toledo, Ohio
3. Charleston, West Virginia
4. Birmingham, Alabama
5. Cleveland, Ohio
6. Gulfport, Mississippi
7. Little Rock, Arkansas
8. Huntington, West Virginia
9. Newark, New Jersey
10. Mobile, Alabama
11. Augusta, Georgia
12. St. Louis, Missouri
13. Fort Smith, Arkansas
14. Cincinnati, Ohio
15. Akron, Ohio
16. Fayetteville, North Carolina
17. Columbus, Georgia
18. Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
19. Memphis, Tennessee
20. Shreveport, Louisiana

How was happiness or unhappiness measured what did they use a massive mood ring. 

@texasag1969 said:

The bayous of Louisiana hold a lot of secrets. James Lee Burke is an excellent crime novel writer that brings that to life in his "Dave Robicheaux" books. But the best kept secret is the deep woods of East Texas. Rumor has it that the mafia that operated in Galveston years ago loved to "visit" The Big Thicket" with their former "friends".

https://images.search.yahoo.com/yhs/search;_ylt=AwrEeNuIjjldVAkA9wwPxQt.;_ylu=X3oDMTByMjB0aG5zBGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwMxBHZ0aWQDBHNlYwNzYw--?p=the+big+thicket+east+texas&fr=yhs-pty-pty_packages&hspart=pty&hsimp=yhs-pty_packages#id=68&iurl=https%3A%2F%2Fmyrahmcilvain.files.wordpress.com%2F2013%2F05%2F20100330143955old_big_thicket.png&action=click

Yep, been there to the Big Thicket.

@the-gipper said:

Sherlock Holmes said that he would rather hang around some of the worst slums of London rather than be out into the countryside because he thought crime out there was far worse so maybe it’s the same in this country maybe the cities are safer than the country. 

The bayous of Louisiana hold a lot of secrets. James Lee Burke is an excellent crime novel writer that brings that to life in his "Dave Robicheaux" books. But the best kept secret is the deep woods of East Texas. Rumor has it that the mafia that operated in Galveston years ago loved to "visit" The Big Thicket" with their former "friends".

https://images.search.yahoo.com/yhs/search;_ylt=AwrEeNuIjjldVAkA9wwPxQt.;_ylu=X3oDMTByMjB0aG5zBGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwMxBHZ0aWQDBHNlYwNzYw--?p=the+big+thicket+east+texas&fr=yhs-pty-pty_packages&hspart=pty&hsimp=yhs-pty_packages#id=68&iurl=https%3A%2F%2Fmyrahmcilvain.files.wordpress.com%2F2013%2F05%2F20100330143955old_big_thicket.png&action=click

@mjp28 said:

There are areas in our wonderful country that even our well armed and trained police won't go without backup.  Sad.

Sherlock Holmes said that he would rather hang around some of the worst slums of London rather than be out into the countryside because he thought crime out there was far worse so maybe it’s the same in this country maybe the cities are safer than the country. 

@diehardbrownsfan said:

Cleveland is definetely a high crime city, the suburbs are mostly safe however.  I wouldn't go to E78th and St. Clair where my dear grandparents lived now or I would probably be killed because I'm white.

There are areas in our wonderful country that even our well armed and trained police won't go without backup.  Sad.

@diehardbrownsfan said:

Not likely.

YeahYeah

@the-gipper said:

You might more likely be killed for some other reasons.

Not likely.