@inspecta said:

As far as Crennel keeping everything in house, that's all good n' well, but it works so much better when you're actually, I dunno....winning football games.

When the coach makes serious bonehead moves like kicking a FG late in the game when you're down by 3 scores, or sitting a promising young RB when your "vet" isn't getting much done. And then the big one, playing a QB who's not only making no plays, but just playing poorly. He was quick as shit to sit Quinn to get a "spark" but in the other 8 games he never felt the need to try and get a "spark"

Listen, when an assistant coach is under a great coach it can go one or two ways.

They can branch off and be successful and be a part of the coaching "tree" or they can flounder and become one of those "great coordinator, lousy coach" types.

Crennel is in the latter group.

I was behind the guy for a long time, and gave him a long leash, but after you go 10-6 against scrubs and then take a huge 12 game shit against the top tier talent of the league, well it has to fall in his lap. And I hate to break it to ya fellas, but he agrees with me.

That about sums it up.

@thomas5737 said:

Yes, that was against the Dolphins and the Browns lost. If i remember correctly.......Shula used all his timeouts as the Browns were driving for the go ahead score. Which gave Danny enough time to return the favor.

@calfoxwc said:

THAT is freakin tough.

Wasn't that against the Dolphins on monday night? I was at that game, sitting right behind Tony Rice and a few rows in front of Buster Douglas and his posse.

Difference is I never posted some total pussified thing like this in any thread:

Derek Anderson dislocates his finger and flat out doesn't tell anybody.

THAT is freakin tough.

Playing like crap in a losing effort with a reset dislocated finger?

I don't think so. DA had a powerful arm. But it wasn't accurate, his choices weren't accruate, he has feet slower than

Shaffer.

But he did have a run last year til defenses caught up with his weaknesses. Which, happen to be everything else but the strength

of his arm.

I hope the Browns can get a 3rd rounder for him, though....

If you are going to give props to DA for going in with a hurt finger you have to give the same props to BQ. I tend to go with the thought that it is a common injury in football and one that the QB has to man up on. Great job to both QBs for manning up a playing hurt.

No props to the OL for letting the DL bull rush and injuring two QBs and no props for letting a D lineman go through thomas and causing a fumble.

But as far as the dink and dunk comments I do agree that is what BQ did, but that is also what they had DA doing most of the year. So I think if you are going to call somebody a dink and dunker I would say it is the coaching staff.

And please get in a couple more O lineman to help out.

@lumbergh said:

FYI his finger was also fine during that 1-8 start vs the Bills.

Really? So you know the exact play he broke it???

And as for dink and dunk...what were DA's stats last week?

@wpb-dawg-fan said:

Lit it up...aka lost to the Broncos. Shows how little his dink and dunk style contributes to the team.

FYI his finger was also fine during that 1-8 start vs the Bills.

@greythan said:

What if he banged his finger on somebody's helmet and had to miss the last 6 weeks of the season?

Problem is...it isn't apples to apples.

In Quinns ONLY healthy game he lit it up.

In DA's 26 previous healthy starts....he was a mixed bag at best.

Sure, DA should get props for the finger injury (if it is real...I can't seem to verify this anywhere)...and how about some info on WHICH finger (if it is on his throwing hand even)....but the REAL problem is he didn't perform ALL YEAR (outside 2 games)...

So, while Quinn gets somewhat of a pass for having a BROKEN (not dislocated) finger with TENDON DAMAGE for 2 of his 3 starts....DA's total body of work indicates that he is what he is....and that ISN'T the savior of the Browns.

@inspecta said:

Unless your just looking for "moral victories" or something to that effect.

I thought about creating a new thread about the media (and I still might), but I tossed this short shot at the second-tier sports media in this town just to get the ball rolling.

What athlete hasn't dislocated their finger, reset it themself (or had a teammate do it), and go back in? I know I've done it more than once.

That makes DA tough? That's xxxxing laughable. He'd be a complete pussy if he couldn't play through that.

Now, did it affact the way he threw the football? No idea. That would be newsworthy. However, trying to spin this as toughness is just completely pussified.

Unreal. Stan, you are stooping to new lows to simply drive post count and/or to be a contrarian arse.

Finally, I think I heard that most of the OL broke down in tears after the game reflecting on how courageous DA was to trot back out there after the dislocation.

@diehardbrownsfan said:

its sad really..people need to remember if they are wearing the orange and brown you do not boo them..for christ sake jamal lewis is a brown now and he rolled us for YEARS...but he suits up in our colors and though hes past his prime he puts an effort in...and he does it with our colors on...now its time for some youngsters..some homegrown talent..with pride to wear the colors...

If you go to boo you should sell your tickets or stay home..really WTF.

@osusev said:

It is what it is, a lot of fans want BQ and DA is in the way. The boos over DA getting hurt is disgusting as is the attitude of a lot of browns fans.

The kid is still a Browns QB and team member yet they treat him like a Steeler. really classy.

I don't often agree with you, but I do on this point. Why all the hate for DA?

It is what it is, a lot of fans want BQ and DA is in the way. The boos over DA getting hurt is disgusting as is the attitude of a lot of browns fans.

The kid is still a Browns QB and team member yet they treat him like a Steeler. really classy.

Nice locker room reporting guys, dig up the dirt for negative reports, but fail to capture a pretty favorable story about this kids effort to win that game.

Maybe it's not the Browns fans who are the problem, it's this local media thats still reeling because Bellichick took their doughnut room away.

@atenears said:

HA - and this coming from YOU???

Now that right there is funny, I dont care who you are.

@atenears said:

Crennel is from the Bellichick mold, they keep everything within the locker room walls, the fans and media of afar are so out of touch with this team that in a place like Cleveland where everyone who don's a Browns stocking cap thinks he's a football guru, it just doesn't work PR wise .... they ran Schottenheimer out, then Billy B, forced ownerships hand on Couch too early, and killed this current team with casualties still to be calculated.

Lol thats 3 guys to take it from sams way to nice deiken is lost in space half the time and grossi is a class #1 ball licker crennel is easily one of the worst coaches to ever disgrace a team he isnt so different than sam was except he has no evaluation skills and seems to lack control of everything from clock management and player respect right down to the waterboys..but i bet the pizza he ordered arrives at the gate right on time..

@atenears said:

I watched K2 warm-up yesterday and pointed out to my son to watch him cut. Most receivers and RB's ran crisp down-and-outs, as Anderson rifled pass after pass to them. When Winslow cut, it looked like a kid on a skate board as his outside leg/foot had to outward-kick and turn, outward-kick and turn. Defiantely not fluid like.

Stick a fork'em it is time to cut ties.

Perhaps. Those hands are going to be tough to replace though. Especially when our other "premier" receiver is Braylon "Featherstone" Edwards mulling around the LOS.