That is what Cowher will give you... When you don't perform you get the "chin of doom"... and by god you better play harder next week...

What do the browns get now for poor play... The "gut of doom"... not really... It's more like, come here sit on daddy's lap and let me hold you like a baby... RAC is more like a grandaddy to the team than he is a coach...

@playgroundlegend said:

Marty has a far better record and more consistency in respect to making the playoffs, plus do you really want to have him take total control of our team and turn it into something boring? We have a very capable squad that lives off big play potential and Cowher just isnt that type of coach.

Plus, Cowher has already stated that if he were to coach for the browns, it would be disrespectful to the Rooneys, which is why its not gonna happen.

Lastly, is that the message we really want to send? That we need the steelers leftovers to win? xxxx no. Im sorry but this really pisses me off!

Marty 09 baby!

Your disdain of Cowher is misguided. However, I do believe that Marty will be a better fit for the Stains. He's hungry after being unjustifiably dismissed in San Diego. He has a proven track record of success...he's a winner everywhere he's coached. His teams always battled, they just had the breaks go against them...how hard are the Stains battling?

Marty has a far better record and more consistency in respect to making the playoffs, plus do you really want to have him take total control of our team and turn it into something boring? We have a very capable squad that lives off big play potential and Cowher just isnt that type of coach.

Plus, Cowher has already stated that if he were to coach for the browns, it would be disrespectful to the Rooneys, which is why its not gonna happen.

Lastly, is that the message we really want to send? That we need the steelers leftovers to win? xxxx no. Im sorry but this really pisses me off!

Marty 09 baby!

@brownindian said:

Cowher is still my first choice...

Marty is a great second choice.

The OC is going to have to go... Play calling has been an absolute atrocity.

I'm not sure about Savage... I think he has done a good job in getting talent here... But if he has to go to get Cowher or Marty here... So be it... PS can get a job doing something else...

not playing HARRISON, playing DA despite his atrocious performances until the season was pretty much lost, and running on first down, most of the time, especially when the defense is stacked against it because they KNEW the Browns would run on first down again.

And, keeping Shaffer as a starter. He should be third string, or gone.

And, Savage hasn't fixed the RT position all this time, but instead, relyed on Tucker being there.

Not too smart after Tuckers' troubles last season.

Looks to me, like Chud's system has developed into a convoluted jumble in the players' minds. I see snap count mistakes, wr's still ? not running

the right? routes ? (or was that DA just losing his grip on a job he shouldn't have - starting qb behind a team that has a pitifully weak right tackle?

The players look so confused and frustrated, they have lost their aggressiveness. Or ... something ?

How many freakin times do ya have to watch defenders run around Shaffer like Shaffer's lead feet are glued to the turf?

How many times then, when Shaffer tries to move his feet, defenders laugh, and simply knock Shaffer back into the qb?

Although, I admit I was wrong about Shaffer in the last game, He didn't get his qb killed. But his qb got hit so hard, I'm shocked he

was NOT injured. At least, as far as we know yet...

But the other thing is, the really pitiful lack of aggression of the defense.

And, special teams don't seem to block anymore on returns. What's up with that?

This entire coaching staff needs an intelligent, aggressive and experienced breath of fresh air.

Right now, I am pleading with Crennel to resign and leave, before his demoralized team is down

by three or four scores, and he goes for another field goal.

Was Crennel afraid of being late for supper, so that's why he didn't even have the fire

to throw that challenge flag?

It's one thing to lose, but it's extremely aggravating to see the way your team is being coached makes no sense.

There needs to be at least three major trades on this team for draft choices.

and...dammit.

Do you want to know who else is considered an A-hole coach? Take a look at the SB Champs!!! Yup. A-hole coaches WIN!!!

I was looking at the record of Marty posted earlier. Did you notice there was ONLY 2 SEASONS BELOW .500???? That is simply an amazing stat.

65...wow. That is too old? Are you kidding me? Vermeil coached to 70. George Halas and Marv Levy both coached to 72.

Records after 65:

Vermeil 44-36

Halas 54-39-5 NFL Champions at 68

But Marv Levy is really the one to look at for post 65 records:

Year      Age      Tm      Lg      G      W      L      T      W-L%      G plyf      W plyf      L plyf      W-L%      Rank      Notes
1990     65     Buffalo Bills             NFL     16     13     3     0     .813     3     2     1     .667     1     AFC Champions
1991     66     Buffalo Bills             NFL     16     13     3     0     .813     3     2     1     .667     1     AFC Champions
1992     67     Buffalo Bills             NFL     16     11     5     0     .688     4     3     1     .750     1     AFC Champions
1993     68     Buffalo Bills             NFL     16     12     4     0     .750     3     2     1     .667     1     AFC Champions
1994     69     Buffalo Bills             NFL     16     7     9     0     .438                     4     
1995     70     Buffalo Bills             NFL     16     10     6     0     .625     2     1     1     .500     1     
1996     71     Buffalo Bills             NFL     16     10     6     0     .625     1     0     1     .000     2     
1997     72     Buffalo Bills             NFL     16     6     10     0     .375                     4

That's right, 82-46 and 4 AFC Championships (i.e. SB appearances)

@inspecta said:

Which do you think is quicker? Getting some other newbie coach to play learning curve for the next 4-5 seasons or a proven winner, that has turned around every franchise he's gotten a hold of.

Let marty coach for a couple years, and during that time let the team come together know what it's like to win, and then give it to an up and comer when a mentality of winning has already been established.

Exactly what I've been saying since BEFORE we hired Romeo.

@d-qwimbley said:

We did not and do not run a 4-3! What you saw with 4 man fronts was a nickel 2-4-5 and 3-4 over. I don't get why people think we run a 4-3 because they see 4 down linemen? We haven't ran a 4-3 ever since Butch Davis was the HC.

Although no one here likes him (me included), Art Modell was football guy, much more than Lerner is and the Browns under Marty could'nt close. Will Marty do better with Lerner ? You're probably thinking, if he's given control, but is he the type of coach that can handle that control effectively ? Again, he's a good .500+ coach.

Cleveland's organization mimmicks the teams on Marty's resume' - competitive but unable to close. Maty has 8 division championships, no conference titles and no Super Bowls. I just can't believe this organization will be the one that he takes all the way. The '80's were SO frustrating because even though the team had so much going on, they never quite made it. It'd sure be nice to see them competitive and going deep into the playoffs, but I'd prefer to have a LONG term plan. How much worse can things get ?

Bellicheck, Cowher, Coughlin and a few others, can whip a team into shape and create a long term team. Is Marty in their category ? I don't believe so and that is the kind of guy the Browns need the absolute most right now.

I say Cowher is the man.

I'd be real curious to get Kosar's and Sam Rutigliano's take on Marty taking over the Browns.

Marty's records:

Year Age Tm Lg G W L T W-L%

1984 41 Cleveland Browns NFL 8 4 4 0 .500

1985 42 Cleveland Browns NFL 16 8 8 0 .500

1986 43 Cleveland Browns NFL 16 12 4 0 .750

1987 44 Cleveland Browns NFL 15 10 5 0 .667

1988 45 Cleveland Browns NFL 16 10 6 0 .625

1989 46 Kansas City Chiefs NFL 16 8 7 1 .533

1990 47 Kansas City Chiefs NFL 16 11 5 0 .688

1991 48 Kansas City Chiefs NFL 16 10 6 0 .625

1992 49 Kansas City Chiefs NFL 16 10 6 0 .625

1993 50 Kansas City Chiefs NFL 16 11 5 0 .688

1994 51 Kansas City Chiefs NFL 16 9 7 0 .563

1995 52 Kansas City Chiefs NFL 16 13 3 0 .813

1996 53 Kansas City Chiefs NFL 16 9 7 0 .563

1997 54 Kansas City Chiefs NFL 16 13 3 0 .813

1998 55 Kansas City Chiefs NFL 16 7 9 0 .438

2001 58 Washington Redskins NFL 16 8 8 0 .500

2002 59 San Diego Chargers NFL 16 8 8 0 .500

2003 60 San Diego Chargers NFL 16 4 12 0 .250

2004 61 San Diego Chargers NFL 16 12 4 0 .750

2005 62 San Diego Chargers NFL 16 9 7 0 .563

2006 63 San Diego Chargers NFL 16 14 2 0 .875

Exp Games Wins Losses W/L %

21 yrs 327 200 126 .613

10 yrs KAN 160 101 58 .635

5 yrs CLE 71 44 27 .620

5 yrs SDG 80 47 33 .588

1 yr WAS 16 8 8 .500

Games over .500: 74

Super Bowl Wins: 0

Overall Championships: 0

Conference Championships: 0 Division Championships: 8

Some of you guys are amazing to think that the browns can bring in another coordinator project and fix this mess i dont care how brilliant they are no coordinator can become a great head coach in cleveland until it is all restructured because we have no structure we have no trademark anymore we have no owner or president to restore or make an identity we need real coaches and real management people to build this team right so great coordinators can rightfuly inherit the job when marty or cowher leave..we do not need another bunch of on the job training goofs it just doesnt work we need to rebuild upper management first and work on down...

10 years of these wretched experiments is enough..

however, he probably ran a straight 4-3 the first time in cleveland b/c the cover 2 as we know it is the brainchild of tony dungy and monte kiffin from their time together in tampa.

it would be interesting to see what system marty thinks are guys are best suited for, though.

@jewdago said:

it only works in pittsburgh because tomlin's the HC and he working with an experienced mastermind in lebeau who's willing to learn anything he can to stay ahead of the game.

but the DC has to know the ins and outs of whatever scheme he's going to run exceptionally well or you end up with an unimaginative D like we have this year.

Marty ran a 4-3 Cover 2 when he was in Cleveland and also when he was in Washington. SD was the first time he ran a 3-4 and that was because of Phillips, not Marty. He fits the system to the players and not the players to a system.

@pl4tinum said:

what is a crennel? a Retard!

does Savage have his Blackberry on speed dial to Chud during the game?

it only works in pittsburgh because tomlin's the HC and he working with an experienced mastermind in lebeau who's willing to learn anything he can to stay ahead of the game.

but the DC has to know the ins and outs of whatever scheme he's going to run exceptionally well or you end up with an unimaginative D like we have this year.

We need a winning enviroment here, and a proven guy with a system that works and who isn't just taking guesses on the fly will probably be our best bet. Marty may be the guy.

@atenears said:

We liked picking his brain more about playing for Joe pa at PSU.

I say 'no' to Marty ... do your homework Lerner and find a real leader that will live on the North Coast sideline for many moons to come. No more flash-in-the-pan band aid fixes that you think you can sell to the fans - just get the right guy.

Boo-xxxxing-hoo.

AS HMFIC, Marty isn't there to be your buddy. He's there to win games, and he's damn good at doing it.

That's our problem - our players want a friend, not a coach. If Marty OR Cowher, about half of these guys will be gone. Good xxxxing riddance I say. Bunch of quitters and losers.

Anything but warm and fuzzy.......