Zombo said:

But if you want to bring up 13 championships to six that is fine, if you want to compare geography-wise, Northeast Ohio wins hands down.

But I'm a Cleveland Browns fan ... so we're only up 8-6, does that feel better?

I have no idea what that means, but it looks pretty gay. Should I be reading the rest of this thread? Nobody reads your long posts, dude.

Maybe when it comes to "college groomed prospects" and "random guys".

Zombo

Oh you read them but it's a-okay to suggest otherwise. Toxic thanks for the laugh man. The "Ay-yi-yi" killed me. Seriously.

3 hines ward crying (like a bitch that he is!)

2 hair commercials by troy (what a fag!)

yeah the city of pittsburgh is nice. i like the look of the city, until you watch an episode of 'cops' that was filmed there. aye yi yi.

Rorbotron said:

College groomed prospects > Random guys

Rorbotron > Zombo

13 river fires < 0 river fires

Zombo said:

Zombo

6 lombardi's > 13 pre-super bowl era championships when some teams were fielding random guys off the street.

College groomed prospects > Random guys

Rorbotron > Zombo

@choco said:

And u 2 are hardly capable of intellectualism. It why I don't care anymore..

.cause your level of hypocracy is unrivalled.

I've rarely come across anyone inpittdburgh capable of an adult conversation. Seriously....its the most juvenile city I've ever lived. I don't care about you opinions, cause I don't consider you capable to undersrand higher thought.

Yes...I grrw up around pitt. And left for 2 reasons. The jobs suck, and so do tge people. You think your shit smells like roses, but quite frankly...laughing at the average pitt fellas stupidity isn't fun anymore. Your too ignorant to realize your own misfortunes. Its why the entire population clings to sports....cauae there isn't a single thing to hang our hat on other tgan that.

Don't confuse apathy with inability. No one here cares what you think. But that never crossed your simple little minds as to why you don't get real answrrs.

Have you been drinking this evening? or did you just happen to go full Retard on the keyboard? I'm also not sure how one can characterize a entire city as juvenile, at least based on one person's (you) experience. What were you doing trolling the local play grounds before and after work? I'd also like to be enlightened on the misfortunes of the Pittsburgh area. Voted the most livable city for the second time, unemployment is one of the lowest if not THE lowest in the United States, at least Allegheny county where Pittsburgh resides. THe Housing market didn't collapse like the rest of the nation. Leader in green technology. Multi-national corporations and major retailers are setting up their headquarters in the Pittsburgh area because of the diversity and growing job sector. In addition to all this lovely banter, if you are one to practice any sort of intellectualism that would mean you HAVE to be a rational individual. No rational human being would claim the Steelers are on the decline, therefore practicing the "art" of being a intellectual falls a little short of your lap.

@choco said:

And u 2 are hardly capable of intellectualism. It why I don't care anymore..

.cause your level of hypocracy is unrivalled.

I've rarely come across anyone inpittdburgh capable of an adult conversation. Seriously....its the most juvenile city I've ever lived. I don't care about you opinions, cause I don't consider you capable to undersrand higher thought.

Yes...I grrw up around pitt. And left for 2 reasons. The jobs suck, and so do tge people. You think your shit smells like roses, but quite frankly...laughing at the average pitt fellas stupidity isn't fun anymore. Your too ignorant to realize your own misfortunes. Its why the entire population clings to sports....cauae there isn't a single thing to hang our hat on other tgan that.

Don't confuse apathy with inability. No one here cares what you think. But that never crossed your simple little minds as to why you don't get real answrrs.

Is that 13 refrencing the number of times the all mighty Cuyahoga River went up in flames, or is it just a coincidence?

The three main career fields in Pittsburgh are in medical, business, and technology. All three require post high school education and all pay well. If you have the money and brains to make it through college I can't understand why you would want to leave the most livable city (a record 4 times) in the US. Well, the weather does suck, I'll give you that.

And u 2 are hardly capable of intellectualism. It why I don't care anymore..

.cause your level of hypocracy is unrivalled.

I've rarely come across anyone inpittdburgh capable of an adult conversation. Seriously....its the most juvenile city I've ever lived. I don't care about you opinions, cause I don't consider you capable to undersrand higher thought.

Yes...I grrw up around pitt. And left for 2 reasons. The jobs suck, and so do tge people. You think your shit smells like roses, but quite frankly...laughing at the average pitt fellas stupidity isn't fun anymore. Your too ignorant to realize your own misfortunes. Its why the entire population clings to sports....cauae there isn't a single thing to hang our hat on other tgan that.

Don't confuse apathy with inability. No one here cares what you think. But that never crossed your simple little minds as to why you don't get real answrrs.

Sivlerback DPOY said:

I get a kick out of it myself. Most just don't want to get in to a intelligent debate where they may actually have to concede to a opposing view point. Honestly their silence says more to me than any sort of dim witted post so I'll certainly take the lack of posts over brainless tirades. Although there are guys here with a fully functioning brain, they just don't contribute often.

@choco said:

Steelers > Browns

@choco said:

We had just as many injuries, so I'm not sure what this is supposed to mean. St meltdown? That st unit has always sucked.....how many tds does cribbs have against the stools st unit? Hell, even otherf teams.

St is made up of the depth of the team.....and as I said many time snatch, the depth on your team is downright pathetic....hence the resigning of cowher retreads. Keep ignoring it....cause you'll see what we see after this season.

Better team won that day, no matter how you try to package it. While somewhere else about the injuries....its a violent game, and a part of it.

It was a special teams melt down that cost us more than a few games last season. As far as relating that to depth please enlighten me on how the Browns are any deeper than the Steelers. Go through the roster. Yes we're a little thin at a few key positions but those key positions don't play special teams. Namely the defensive line. We need stronger special teams gunners and I believe we now have that in guys like Battle, Gibson and Worilds. As far as resigning Cowher retreads is concerned the Holmes cut was long in the making before the actual cut was made. Foote was looking for a new contract and with Farrior getting older and seeming to lose a step last year they brought him in as insurance. McFadden left for more money in Arizona and Pittsburgh was willing to gamble on gay. He wasn't ready for the starting role full time so they brought back McFadden for a SONG. The "retreads" only improve our already solid depth at those key positions. As far as my statements on the injuries were/are concerned they were brought up more to refute the supposed "implosion" not the shameful loss to the Stains. I already made that clear a few times but I guess reading isn't one of your strong suits.

If Pittsburgh is thin anywhere it's safety. LB's stacked, CB's plenty of depth with Gay, Keenan Lewis who many think will battle for one of the nickel slots immediately and maybe challenge McFadden. Joe Burnett.

CB: Ike Taylor, McFadden, Gay, Lewis, Burnett, Butler

S: Clark, Polamalu, Mundy, Allen

LB: Harrison, Woodley, Farrior, Foote, Timmons, Gibson, Worilds..plus 2 or 3 others like Patrick Bailey.

WR: Ward, Wallace, Are, Battle, Brown, Sanders (maybe our thinest position after losing Sweed)

TE: Miller, Spaeth, David Johnson

Meh nevermind I don't need to go through the entire team. Pittsburgh is plenty deep for special teams. Execution was a problem.

We had just as many injuries, so I'm not sure what this is supposed to mean. St meltdown? That st unit has always sucked.....how many tds does cribbs have against the stools st unit? Hell, even otherf teams.

St is made up of the depth of the team.....and as I said many time snatch, the depth on your team is downright pathetic....hence the resigning of cowher retreads. Keep ignoring it....cause you'll see what we see after this season.

Better team won that day, no matter how you try to package it. While somewhere else about the injuries....its a violent game, and a part of it.

@diehardbrownsfan said:

agreed. they post on here more than i do and i'm a browns fan lol. spending all this time on a rival teams board shows their social lives must really suck. if they spend all of this time on a rival teams board, i'm sure they spend even more time on a steelers board so yeah, their social lives suck.

@sj_browns said:

i've never said the steelers are or aren't going to fall from being amongst the elite teams in the nfl. my only argument is the steeler trolls lame steelers injury excuse that i've seen a number of browns fans (including you) arguing against.

there's no excuse for the steelers to give up 171 yds rushing to the browns when the browns had a really pathetic offense that passed rarely and ran often. you don't need defensive pro-bowlers to stop that kind of offense. as far as the steelers offense, you mean they couldn't make more than 2 fgs against players like hank poteat and a bunch of guys signed off of the street? we both agree that there was no excuses for the steelers loss and for anyone to even imply there was is just foolish.

First I already explained why I included the injuries in to the equation, as it was a part of a much larger argument. Every team has injuries and the good teams pull through. I'd say despite missing the playoffs the Steelers pulled through by finishing the season with 3 wins and a chance at the post season. I also agree that there is absolutely no excuse to fall flat on their face like they did during that stretch but it happened and it happens to everyone. Now in order for said implosion to occur the entire Steeler organization would have to go through some sort of ridiculous transformation. The Steelers would have to all of the sudden stop drafting well, start over paying players and signing high profile free agents, bail on their coaches when they encounter some adversity etc. All of which is never going to happen so long as the Rooney's own and operate the Steelers. Sure there will be down years but I doubt we'll ever see a truly down and out scenario it's just not the way the Steeler organization was designed. You also talk about being foolish. It's foolish to assume the Steelers are going to experience any sort of decline. Yet we have several on this message board acting "foolishly" on a daily basis. Oh and lol at the notion the browns were no better than a Keanu Reeves led replacement team. Any Given Sunday and sometimes the mighty stumble. Consider last season a "stumble" after they hoisted their 6th silver and shiny thing.

@gips said:

your entitled to your opinion about the steelers decline, but i try to stay away from guarantees. i will say that the steelers have some issues that can hurt them, but i'll just sit back and see how it all plays out.

i've never said the steelers are or aren't going to fall from being amongst the elite teams in the nfl. my only argument is the steeler trolls lame steelers injury excuse that i've seen a number of browns fans (including you) arguing against.

there's no excuse for the steelers to give up 171 yds rushing to the browns when the browns had a really pathetic offense that passed rarely and ran often. you don't need defensive pro-bowlers to stop that kind of offense. as far as the steelers offense, they couldn't make more than 2 fgs against players like hank poteat and a bunch of guys signed off of the street. we both agree that there was no excuse for the steelers loss to the browns and for anyone to even imply there was is just foolish.

@sj_browns said:

What team has won the Super Bowl when their 2 out of their 3 best defensive players played in a combined total of 10 games in one season? Especially considering we are a defensive team, not one that relies on offense, like the Colts.

@sj_browns said:

the browns beating the steelers wasn't the super bowl for me. what it was was a defensive beatdown to me. a browns domination of their opponent (the steelers) and the steelers were embarassed on national tv and missed the playoffs because of the browns.

alot of people in the national media (everybody that coverered/analyzed the game on espn/nfl live/espn news, fsn, nfl network, si.com, yahoo sports, etc.) ripped the steelers for losing a must win game and then gave the browns props for winning a game like that when: 1. it was the end of the season and the browns had nothing to play for. 2. nobody thought they would win. 3. the browns had a ton of injuries in key positions. 4. big mouth tomlin's "unleash hell in december" promise. 5. the steelers needed to win that game to get into the playoffs and failed miserably.

hines ward cried like a little bitch (AGAIN) after the game. the steelers oline gave up 8 sacks, their special teams was a joke (and they have to prove they're improved this upcoming season). the browns held the steelers to a total of 75 yds rushing and the browns basically told the steelers they're not passing the ball, they're going to run it and the steelers STILL couldn't stop them (browns, 90 yds passing, 171 yds rushing).

THERE ARE NO EXCUSES FOR THE STEELERS LOSING TO THE BROWNS and the sooner these steeler trolls recognize that and submit to the truth, the less they'll hear about that game.

I simply added in the "injuries" as a contributing factor but specifically said several times it was a special teams meltdown and less than inspired play by our defense and our receivers for that matter. It certainly was a testament to the Browns defense that day but you'd be kidding yourself and everyone else if you with a whole heart believe the Steelers are going to implode because of a few tough losses last season. Clearly things weren't going right for the Steelers otherwise they wouldn't have went from 6-2 to 6-7. They won the last 3 games and gave themselves a chance. My point and this has always been my point is those injuries were SIGNIFICANT injuries. We're not talking about just a starter in the NFL which can be said for any number of "bums" around the league. Plenty of "bums" start for certain teams. If we're talking implosion you NEED to factor in injuries that no doubt contributed to a number of losses last year. We are talking IMPLOSION right? that's what a good number of this board believe is going to occur correct? Injuries last year shouldn't be factored in to that equation? If we were just talking season success fine but you're talking total meltdown.

Now going back to my previous post direction any number of "bums" start for however many teams in the NFL. We lost the best safety in the NFL and arguably the best 3-4 defensive end in the entire league. Hines Ward was playing on a bum wheel and we had some real breakdowns in our defensive secondary. Our special teams was also far and away our weakest link. It was a virtual guarantee each time our teams met that Cribbs was going to rip someone a new a$$hole. Eliminate those plays and it's a different game. The Browns won in deserving fashion. THe NFL is absolutely a matter of "any given sunday" and with it being a division game with a heated rival both teams usually get up for the occasion.

I didn't realize that I had to paint a certain picture for someone to concede my point. Yes the Browns won fair and square but it's also something COMPLETELY separate from the "implosion" discussions. I'm still waiting for that intelligent break down of why the Steelers are going to have a losing season and miss the playoffs. If we're being honest with ourselves on paper it CANNOT be done. You can't argue definitively that the Steelers will miss the playoffs when they are returning ever starter from the Super Bowl year minus Holmes and we brought back Foote, Are and McFadden. I shouldn't be ashamed. You should be ashamed for being completely ridiculous. SJ you seem to want to rant. Please break down the roster or put the argument to rest until the season begins.

@blowe said:

...and I just don't care.

do what i do, take advantage of the block user feature on this board. that way you won't see any of these troll's posts. i just see their names and i can imagine what the convo is based on what browns fans are saying. i try to stay away from these debates, but the injury excuse for the steelers was just too ridiculous, so i made my comment and left it at that.

@blowe said:

...and I just don't care.

You read it and honestly I don't really care either. Although as a Steeler diehard and someone the genuinely just wants additional information on division rivals it's hard not to respond when someone says they expect the Steelers to implode but fail to provide any sort of practical reason. I'm of course going to provide reasons against said implosion and honestly I'm correct hence the reason for the dismal amount of responses. Well responses that don't refer to me as a inbred hick but rather provide intelligent football insight, something that is unfortunately lost on a good percentage of this message board. Although if you didn't care and you didn't read you wouldn't have posted. It's okay to skirt the issue.

@thaak said:

Secondly, the START of your team's decline was the Browns game. You weren't in the middle of a slump. Your year end losing streak and slump STARTED with that game.

In other words, the Browns beat the Steelers like red-headed step-children, and the Steelers never recovered.

Injuries are part of the NFL. You saw the Patriots go to and win a Superbowl with an old and slow WR playing in the secondary because of all their injuries.

The Colts had two no-names step up in Austin Collie and Pierre Garcon and they went to the Superbowl, despite Harrison becoming too old to play and Gonzalez getting hurt in game 1.

The Steelers aren't all that if a couple injuries keep them from finding a way to win, especially against a team that nobody gave a chance to win another game all year.

steeler trolls should be ashamed of themselves for even bringing up injuries as a reason why the steelers lost to the browns last season. the browns had alot of injuries in that game and had guys off of the street and back up players forced into duty. lame excuse! that's just sorry as hell.

the browns beating the steelers wasn't the super bowl for me. what it was was a defensive beatdown to me. a browns domination of their opponent (the steelers) and the steelers were embarassed on national tv and missed the playoffs because of the browns.

alot of people in the national media (everybody that coverered/analyzed the game on espn/nfl live/espn news, fsn, nfl network, si.com, yahoo sports, etc.) ripped the steelers for losing a must win game and then gave the browns props for winning a game like that when: 1. it was the end of the season and the browns had nothing to play for. 2. nobody thought they would win. 3. the browns had a ton of injuries in key positions. 4. big mouth tomlin's "unleash hell in december" guarantee. 5. the steelers needed to win that game to get into the playoffs and failed miserably.

hines ward cried like a little bitch (AGAIN) after a crucial loss. the steelers oline gave up 8 sacks, their special teams was a joke (and they have to prove they're improved this upcoming season). the browns held the steelers to a total of 75 yds rushing and the browns basically told the steelers they're not passing the ball, they're going to run it and the steelers STILL couldn't stop them (browns, 90 yds passing, 171 yds rushing).

THERE ARE NO EXCUSES FOR THE STEELERS LOSING TO THE BROWNS and the sooner these steeler trolls recognize that and submit to the truth, the less they'll hear about that game. steeler trolls are obviously the ones that are keeping this argument alive.

Rorbotron said:

I honestly feel sorry for the guys that actually subscribe to that thought process because from a rational stand point it's absolutely irrational. The best part of it all is when it doesn't happen a majority of the posting base on this board is still going to blow the "suck horn" because they cannot and will not admit when they're wrong. I asked this question previously in another thread. I believe I directed it at Gip but he never took the time to respond. I'd love for someone on this board to break down position by position why the Steelers are going to have a marginal season in 3 months. Look at the stats, look at last season, look at who is returning and the schedule and then explain to me why all of the sudden a team that has won two super bowls this decade and has only lost ONE player of worth since winning the last super bowl is all of the sudden going to fail miserable because we lost to the f.ucking browns last year. You're all going to be in for one hell of a rude awakening and you all know it.

too long didnt read

...and I just don't care.