Sivlerback DPOY said:

Perhaps you are right. So what? Like I said, Goodell can take any factor into his punishment that he chooses. Massive negative publicity may certainly be one of those factors.

What is it about that you don't understand?

This was a rape allegation. It was serious enough to be investigated by the police. Simply because the prosecutor felt that he could not prove a case beyond a reasonable doubt does not mean that Goodell has to abide by the same stringent requirement. So be it.

Like Ferris Beuhler said: Are you still here? Its over. Go home.

FREAKofSTEEL08 said:

The suspension of Ben was about politics. As you said, his suspension stemmed from a big name bringing in bad plublicity. It had nothing to do with caring or morales, it had everything to do with politics and profit...."Politics have no relation to morals." - Niccolo Machiavelli

@choco said:

Stfu about premature evaluation.....actually....just stfu. You whine more than a pregnant woman with hemoroids. Just because you think its cut and dry, well, that doesn't mean shit.....for brains. Given the favortism shown to the piss and black, can u really bitch about ben getting his deserved suspension? Being that u ignore the pattern vs. Isolated incidents, it shows how your lack of intellkigence directly reflects your inabilty to digest the differences.

He does typically what until the legal investigation is over before he hands out his punishment.....But even if Young is somehow cleared Goodell will still have to suspend him due to bad behavior. He knows what happened, its all on tape. It's not a case where someone accused Young of punching him despite not having any bruising or any markings that would result from a punch. (like Ben's accuser)...I have said multiple times (including 2-3 times on this thread alone) that I agree with Ben's punishment. Saying I disagree with the punishment is a losing effort on your part. What "pattern of behavior"?....Is Goodell holding somebody breaking traffic laws and causing a near deadly accident as a strike against Ben's behavior? Or is he holding a civil accusation that hasn't even been approved for a court date yet (if it will even happen) as a strike against Ben's behavior?

How has Goodell showed favoritism to the Steelers? He has made examples of some of them by handing out severe punishments despite not breaking any laws. As you know, "Roethlisberger is the first [and only] player who hasn't been arrested or charged with a crime yet suspended by Goodell under the NFL personal-conduct policy." If anything it appears as if "you whine more than a pregnant woman with hemoroids."

Sivlerback DPOY said:

The Statement is all about STAR Power. The NFL is such a Big Deal , if your a Stud player you are held to a Higher Standard. After all you are one of the FACES of the NFL. Jeff Reed a just another Kicker ( Non Player basically ) At least that is how most "Players" feel about Kickers. He doesn't "Care" about his players... he Cares about PROFIT. Ben Hurt Profit ...therefore punishment is more intense. Actually I understand that , its Big Business.

Stfu about premature evaluation.....actually....just stfu. You whine more than a pregnant woman with hemoroids. Just because you think its cut and dry, well, that doesn't mean shit.....for brains. Given the favortism shown to the piss and black, can u really bitch about ben getting his deserved suspension? Being that u ignore the pattern vs. Isolated incidents, it shows how your lack of intellkigence directly reflects your inabilty to digest the differences.

The Tennessee Titans quarterback received a misdemeanor assault citation after a fight early Sunday at a Dallas strip club. Goodell said Thursday that "right now we're gathering facts."

Surveillance video footage released by Dallas police showed the quarterback and several people talking in a small room before Young attacked someone in the room. Young has apologized and said he hopes he won't receive a suspension.

Goodell answered questions about Young after speaking to high school players at an NFL football clinic in Queens.

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I guess video tape of him punching a man at 3 in the morning in a strip club isn't " enough information to make a decision on possibly disciplining Vince Young" exhibited bad behavior.

what a sot....the class of pissburgh (way to show your B cups)

@hoorta said:

And others have pointed out- from a legal standpoint, some of those cases are still pending. And BR got popped they way he did because of the Nevada incident- if Georgia was the first, the punishment would have been far less severe. Pattern of behavior.

"Roethlisberger is the first player who hasn't been arrested or charged with a crime yet suspended by Goodell under the NFL personal-conduct policy."...NFL.com.....http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d8...mp;confirm=true....and that statement is true. Ben has never been arrested and he has never been charged with any type of crime his entire life, not to mewntion during his NFL playing career....Pacman and Henry were both convicted of multiple crimes just while Goodell was the Commish.

The Neveda "incident" wasn't anything at all. It is a civil case and police say they have no intention of investigating the rediculous claims. Like you said, " from a legal standpoint, some of those cases are still pending." Well, Ben's Neveda case is still nothing more than someone making an accusation and threatening to take it to civil court. If this case had any bearing Ben's punishment, then once again Goodell is a hypocrite in his punishment.

Jeff Reed has had a "pattern of behavior" with actual arrests...Goodell hasn't punished him.

Sivlerback DPOY said:

Goodell has set the precedent that any behavior he doesn't like (illegal or not; specifically against the rules or not) will result in punishment.

Like I said before:, Goodell made this statement to Ben regaurding his actions:

"... there is nothing about your conduct in Milledgeville that can remotely be described as admirable, responsible, or consistent with either the values of the league or the expectations of our fans."

So if Goodell doesn't suspend or punish other players, does that mean that the behavior of other arrested players are in fact "admirable, responsible and consistent with the values of the league"? When Goodell began suspending players for behaving in a way that he disapproves of, any time he chooses not to suspend or punish a player it is implied that he then approves of the behavior in question.

Well, look up your facts- Goodell does suspend and punish other players- like PacMan Jones and Chris Henry, fer instance.

And others have pointed out- from a legal standpoint, some of those cases are still pending. And BR got popped they way he did because of the Nevada incident- if Georgia was the first, the punishment would have been far less severe. Pattern of behavior.

@diehardbrownsfan said:

Get a Brain... Whiner.

Sivlerback DPOY said:

Maybe everyone on that list wasn't as big of a name as Ben, but there was 4-5 probowlers on that list. But just becuase Ben got more media attention doesn't mean he should get special meetings with Goodell or get punished more harshly. Goodell needs to make a strict PCP and follow it down to every last point. Media attention should not have any bearing.

I understand with Rogers and Young that Goodell will wait for the legal aspect to be dealt with before he steps in. But he has a history of not punishing repeated offenders even after the court system finished i.e. Jeff Reed

Well, as a jurist, I know that when it comes to punishment for an incident there can be wide latitude and discretion applied, but it must still be within the strictures of the applicable penalty statute. Goodell has no such stricture. His punishments are purely discretionary. The only thing that may constrain him is the Collective Bargaining agreement. Otherwise he is free to be as harsh or as lenient as he chooses and as he sees fit. He is under NO obligation to be consistent. He is under NO obligation to follow a certain formula for meting out discipline. He can meet with whomever he wants as much as he wants or not at all. He can punish before or after the court system is through with a person (though generally he has waited). He is free to be as arbitrary and capricious as he choosed to be. He is free to let a punter slide that no one knows about or has ever heard about, and he is free to come down hard on the Super Bowl Quarterback that everyone knows about. He is free to consider the damage to the reputation of the league that someone's action has caused, or he is free to ignore that. He is free to consider the negative media attention that an incident causes, or not to consider it. He can put down a policy in writing, but since it is HIS policy, he can follow it or ignore it if he chooses. Other than, as I said, what is required by the CBA. He doesn't have to give any thought to what you or I or the man in the moon think of his policies and actions....or he may be very sensitive to that public opinion. That's just the way it is.

FREAKofSTEEL08 said:

One WORTHLESS troll sticking up for the other. Get a life.

@ballpeen said:

I know there is line there, but anybody who has sat in a position to make those types of decisions knows you have to know there is a line of demarcation and it isn't simply black and white.....there is a little fudge to either side depending on circumstance.

I undertstand what you are saying but the PCP calls for punishment if its a mistake or not. Now, I can see Goodell handed out lighter punishment for one mistake as opposed to repeated behavior. But assulting your pregnant girlfriend or sneaking a gun into a night club isn't just a mistake, even if it only happens once. Then there is good ole Jeff Reed and his drinking episodes. Goodell claims part of why he punished Ben so severely and forced him to go to counseling is becuase he cares about his players...Really? Than how come he never stepped in just to help poor ole Jeff? By giving Reed (and most others) a free pass on his arrests, he set a precident that it was okay.

Sivlerback DPOY said:

Goodell has set the precident that any behavior he doesn't like (illegal or not; specifically against the rules or not) will result in punishment.

Like I said before:, Goodell made this statement to Ben regaurding his actions:

"... there is nothing about your conduct in Milledgeville that can remotely be described as admirable, responsible, or consistent with either the values of the league or the expectations of our fans."

So if Goodell doesn't suspend or punish other players, does that mean that the behavior of other arrested players are in fact "admirable, responsible and consistent with the values of the league"? When Goodell began suspending players for behaving in a way that he disapproves of, any time he chooses not to suspend or punish a player it is implied that he then approves of the behavior in question.

I think the difference is when in his opinion it was simply a mistake v a behavior.

I know there is line there, but anybody who has sat in a position to make those types of decisions knows you have to know there is a line of demarcation and it isn't simply black and white.....there is a little fudge to either side depending on circumstance.

@diehardbrownsfan said:

LOL THAT was a good one... SilverB is weeping openly now. Go back to JJC son.

@thaak said:

Why do they have to come onto our boards and bitch about their teams?

First we get this 49ers guy trying to say that the 49ers going to Santa Clara is the same as the Browns going to Baltimore

and now we got a Steeler trying to get sympathy because big bad Goodell isn't fair to little Benny.

Give me a fricken break.

This is a Browns Board. Why do we care if you feel slighted?

Then dont respond. No Big deal... there are Lots of Steeler fans and Browns Fans who care about their Division rivals. THAT is why we "Jokers" come here. Some of us have even been Invited when we joined by ...Browns fans. What is the big fat deal ? If you are not interested , dont respond. Thats fine and understandable. The Topic will sink to the Bottom of the "Thread sea" and the you , can rest easy. In your sterilized little la la land. Its really up to YOU. Have an interactive interesting forum. Or a same ol same ol bitch session on the latest blunder by the honchos in Berea. The Choice ...is yours.

Sivlerback DPOY said:

As is our right, consider this is a BROWNS board.

Why did you even start this thread?

@thaak said:

Considering I agree with the 4-6 game suspension I can't see why I would whine about it. You may feel the issue is irrelavant to you now, but when your star draft pick gets suspended two games becuase his drunken resisting arrest charge got more media attention than Jeff Reed, you and many others will be crying about how Goodell cheats for the Steelers.

Sivlerback DPOY said:

That may be, but there is absolutely zero reason for you to even bring this up on our board at all, unless you wanted to whine about Ben some more.

@thaak said:

1) I disagree with you

and

2) I think your posting what you did is silly

Does not mean I don't comprehend what you wrote.

I have clearly stated specifically to you twice that my beef with Goodell goes way back before Ben had any of his troubles.

Sivlerback DPOY said:

The biggest problem is that you're a worthless troll.

Sivlerback DPOY said:

Just because

1) I disagree with you

and

2) I think your posting what you did is silly

Does not mean I don't comprehend what you wrote.

@thaak said:

Why do they have to come onto our boards and bitch about their teams?

First we get this 49ers guy trying to say that the 49ers going to Santa Clara is the same as the Browns going to Baltimore

and now we got a Steeler trying to get sympathy because big bad Goodell isn't fair to little Benny.

Give me a fricken break.

This is a Browns Board. Why do we care if you feel slighted?

The biggest problem is your reading comprehension.