#2 Steelers

#3 Cowboys

#4 Packers

#5 Eagles

Formerly Stone said:

Again, you are looking at this as in a bubble. I doubt that you have a lot of BROWNS FANS over on your Steeler sites stirring the pot! If you did, then the topic of the Browns would come up more...and then the vitriol (yeah, I liked that word too) would start flowing.

So, let's put it this way....next year...if the Browns were kicking but and the Steelers struggled...and you got a bunch of Browns fans over on Steeler message boards talking smack...do you honestly believe they would be treated with kid gloves?

Formerly Stone said:

The Browns organization is one that would be very easy to slam and throw darts at, I have not done that. The majority of my posts state simple facts, or dispute stupid statements. It's evident that you don't like facts that make you look bad; People make comments about the Steelers being the doormat of the league for 30-40 years and it doesn't antagonize me because it's simply the truth..

It's like a used car salesman who gets angry when people make comments about used car salesmen; used car salesmen have earned their reputation just like the Steelers did from 1933 to 1970 and the Browns have from 1965 to the present.

Just go to the top and do a search for the word 'stains'...and you will find at least 5 steeler fans on here using that word...and THIS IS A BROWNS FORUM!!! I can just imagine the usage on a Steeler board. I didn't even bother to look at the other words like clowns, etc...

YOU may be classy enough not to use it (as is Preacher), but for the most part...I tend to think most Pittsburgh fans are quite vitriolic when it comes to talking about the Browns.

Formerly Stone said:

The Browns organization is one that would be very easy to slam and throw darts at, I have not done that. The majority of my posts state simple facts, or dispute stupid statements. It's evident that you don't like facts that make you look bad; People make comments about the Steelers being the doormat of the league for 30-40 years and it doesn't antagonize me because it's simply the truth..

It's like a used car salesman who gets angry when people make comments about used car salesmen; used car salesmen have earned their reputation just like the Steelers did from 1933 to 1970 and the Browns have from 1965 to the present.

you represent yourself, not the entire steeler fan base.

Formerly Stone said:

I am 52 years old and have been a Steeler fan since the age of 11 or 12 so my time includes a few of the "doormat" years and the mediocre 80's. Never once did I experience hate for the Browns or their fans during the 80's when we couldn't beat you guys, a healthy rivalry type of hatred during game time, but not a deep seated hatred like you guys have. But then, I/we haven't experienced this feeling for 40 years running so I can only hope that I would not act as you do.

I am here because I live in NE Ohio and am fascinated by the tens of thousands (if not millions) of Browns fans who hate the Steelers and their fans simply because we beat you like red headed step children. Quite frankly there are a host of teams who own the Browns over the past few decades and there are other cities who's fans endure a bad product decade after decade and their fans don't hate........why is this?

Did it ever occur to you that it is not hate but a feeling of competition that is fueled by something called divisional rivalry ? Pittsburg and Cleveland are in the same divison and will face each other twice. Same with Oakland and San Diego. So this "hatred" is not something common to just the Browns.

@jadbf said:

They don't count....they're BQ Fans...not BROWNS FANS!!! (just like Lummy never counted)

🥷

Now, if the team you root for is winning...and especially if it has been winning for some time....it is valid to question a fan's loyalty....when they became a fan....what BAD TIMES have they gone through with the team....etc....

Although not ALL Steeler fans are bandwagoners....it is pretty fair to assume that there is at least a decent number of them sitting in the stands on any given Sunday due to the recent successes.

I will put money that there isn't a SINGLE bandwagon fan of the Browns sitting in the stands in Cleveland.

The Cleveland Browns stumbled to a 6-10 record last year, their third straight losing season. Browns Stadium was sold out for every game.

The Kansas City Chiefs entered the season with high hopes, but missed the playoffs for the second year in a row. Arrowhead Stadium was sold out for every game.

The Philadelphia Eagles plummeted to a 6-10 mark, their worst since 1999. Lincoln Financial Field was sold out for every game.

Such steadfast support is the reason why Cleveland, Kansas City and Philadelphia are 1-2-3 in Bizjournals's new rankings of National Football League fan loyalty. (Click here for the top-to-bottom standings of all 32 teams.)

The study set out to identify the NFL's best fans. Not the ones who turn out in strong numbers for a winning team, but the ones who stay loyal even if their team is losing, the weather is frightful or their local market is small.

Cleveland fans earned first place by routinely packing their 73,000-seat stadium despite the dismal play of the Browns — who have won only 36 of 112 games since 1999 — and a climate that is among the coldest in the league.

List Of Entire Loyal Fans Rank ! ( http://www.bizjournals.com/specials/pages/34.html )

Link For Ranking of Loyal Fan base: http://www.bizjournals.com/specials/pages/34.html

here's why the Browns are at or near the top. dawg the BH had a decent list.

Bills fans have much class.

and Kansas City is in there somewhere too.

Bears make my top ten also.

panthers fans are rarely in attendance--the stands are filled w/ corporate psl's. just faces in a crowd, nothing much more.

@ballpeen said:

I think you guys were standing right behind me for a while.

I missed that but we missed an opportunity

I think you guys were standing right behind me for a while.

@arjuna74 said:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/preview08/co...tory?id=3530077

Pretty accurate I would say...........tanks

@ballpeen said:

I was at the Hilton bar to watch the Gators...went up to the room to take a shower, and was at Tootsies by 11 after a stop at Roberts.

I talked to Flugs...but he didn't sound very motivated to meet....I was on Legends Corner until 2:30 AM with some friends on another board.

I wish I would have known.

We were at the Hilton Bar watching the Gators getting our ears blown off as well..............hmmmmmmmmmmm.........we probably passed each other.........my biker friend Dave with the long beard and hair was with me.......looked like he came out of a cave.......I was the dumb looking guy with the red hat with the O on it...........with him and flugs

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/preview08/co...tory?id=3530077

Well thanks a lot!

I was at the Hilton bar to watch the Gators...went up to the room to take a shower, and was at Tootsies by 11 after a stop at Roberts.

I talked to Flugs...but he didn't sound very motivated to meet....I was on Legends Corner until 2:30 AM with some friends on another board.

I wish I would have known.

@rich4eagle said:

and I CAN REASSURE THE STEELERS have more than anyone else..........cause I been there

Dude, bars with guys dancing with each other aren't called sports bars.

It does include local revenue and memorabilia revenue and competition locally to the franchise.................

duh who competes with the Cowboys for MID South and MIDWEST South fan revenue................oh yeah the Cardinals and the Texans.........nuff said

I have no idea why these numbers have any relevance as to whom has fans showing up everywhere at sports bars in our nation...............

and I CAN REASSURE THE STEELERS have more than anyone else..........cause I been there

@brownindian said:

#1 Dallas Cowboys

http://www.forbes.com/sports/lists/2008/30...oys_300988.html

#15 Cleveland Browns

http://www.forbes.com/sports/lists/2008/30...wns_307074.html

#18 PittsBurg Steelers

http://www.forbes.com/sports/lists/2008/30...ers_305046.html

Oh my f-ing god. Wow. Just wow.

#1 Dallas Cowboys

http://www.forbes.com/sports/lists/2008/30...oys_300988.html

#15 Cleveland Browns

http://www.forbes.com/sports/lists/2008/30...wns_307074.html

#18 PittsBurg Steelers

http://www.forbes.com/sports/lists/2008/30...ers_305046.html

@ballpeen said:

I was in Nashville for the game this past weekend. I walked all around tailgate lots and didn't have people chanting "asshole" towards me....I didn't have people throwing stuff at me....everybody was very friendly and respectful.

It had been a while since I have been to another stadium for a game....though I have known it and have said so many time....it struck me like night and day on Sunday...Browns fans are some of the worst fans as far as their behavior.

I think one of the best things the city could do is to not open lots for tailgating until 4 hours before the scheduled kick-off like they do in other cities.

People have way too much time to get shit-hammered before games.

That is interesting! I too was at the game Sunday in Nashville with two other Browns fans including Flugels and Titan/Brown fan. Too bad we never connected! We all noticed the same thing about them as being friendly politeful and respectful. Heck one young fan even said good luck to me wearing my favorite Willie Green jersey. Although a seven year old boy stuck his tongue out at me........the was the extent of the abuse I got in Nashville.

On bigger note about fandom. I was not addressing whose fans were most obnoxious or courteous or whatever. My opinion is who has the biggest and most loyal fan base. Steeler Chuck gets it........the Stillers are likely number one but I will allow the Packers to battle with them for that claim. I have been all over America the last number of years and spent nearly every Sunday in a sports bar somewhere viewing the games. Bottom line hands down .......no matter where the Steelers had the second biggest contingent after the home team of the area and if there was no home area they had the biggest contingent. That is certainly true every weekend here in Charlotte! Admitting being drugged is the first step to rehab............I think all of Browns Town needs to admit we been drugged and BSed for years!

@inspecta said:

Let the steelers fall on their faces for a few years and watch those bumper stickers and stooler bars go bye bye.

I would venture to say that 70% of those steeler fans outside of PA have become steeler fans in the past 10 years. And before being steeler fans, they were cowboy or 9er fans.

You guys have been solid for quite a while now, no doubt. But to point to a bunch of bandwagon fans as proof that you have superior fans is the bigger exercise in mental masturbation.

no, I think a better indication of the true grit of your fans can be found in that game vs jax last year where your stadium began emptying out with about 20 minutes left in the game. Guess it was a wee bit too cold for you fags.

Meanwhile where I live in Wilmington NC, we have 2 Browns backer bars here, as well as one in the mountains, and a browns backers bar just about anywhere you go in the country and the world.

As you were chubby checker, come back with some an'at's and yinzes and we'll call it a day, shall we?

And just like many of your brethren here, WRONG.

Go look up our continuous sold-out home game record. Go ahead, I dare ya.

Even during the 80's when we sucked like yinz do now - every game sold out. Hell, I had season tix during the 80's.

And, at no time did we ever litter the field with beer bottles. Yeah, I know - before you reply, beer dumped on Korky. Big deal - one douche. It's not like the whole stadium threw beer bottles at him, or dog biscuits or whatever.

Yeah, I know - you're trying to grasp onto something, something that yinz might have that would make your fan base even comparable to the Stiller Nation.

Keep grasping.

Regards

..... an'at

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There's no better fanbase than the Stiller Nation.

Nobody has more Steeler bars in cities across the world, no team has throngs of their fans showing up at all the road games and jerseys - wanna talk jerseys and bumperstickers?

I travel a lot. California, New Mexico, the Carolinas, Texas - outside of the towns that have NFL teams (and sometimes in them), I will see more cars with Steeler bumper stickers, vanity plates and people with Steeler jerseys on.

But hey - don't let me interrupt your mental masturbation, you may continue your regularly scheduled carrot waxing.

Regards

..... an'at

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