<![CDATA[Let's talk about the NEW Cavs]]>I will remain a Cavs fan. We are blessed with an Owner who is passionate about winning, & willing to do what it takes to bring a Championship to Cleveland. We have a new Coach, & now, a new mission. I actually saw a little too much "one on one" grandstanding by lbj this past year to actually believe he would lead us to a Championship. I did NOT see his teammates level of play "raise" when they played with him. I did NOT see him as this team's "savior" last year. Now it's time to wait & see what Gilbert et al can put together "post" Lebron. We just lost a great player, but I am wondering whether or not we lost a man of character...His actions in this "production" say otherwise.

My dream for Lebron?....That the Cavs win a Championship BEFORE the Heat. I am NOT convinced that the three of those players will dominate the league, but we'll see. If there is a serious injury there, I don't think the Heat have the depth to absorb the loss.

Bottom line is that how he announced his decision was selfish, tacky, & damn near cowardly.

Life goes on...Too bad Lebron cheapened Pro Sports even more than it has been in the recent past.

The Cavs will be alright. We fans will be alright. I'm just glad the theatrical bush league CRAP is over.

Mike

]]>https://brownsboard.com/topic/14905/let-s-talk-about-the-new-cavsRSS for NodeThu, 01 Oct 2026 12:17:51 GMTFri, 09 Jul 2010 02:06:34 GMT60<![CDATA[Reply to Let's talk about the NEW Cavs on Fri, 23 Jul 2010 13:52:03 GMT]]>Matt Barnes has signed with LA Lakers.

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@brownindian said:

we could not get them all when they were younger and we had LeBron, why would they come now ? We will only worsen our cap space with these guys which will hurt us in the future.

And talking of future why are we trying so hard for Matt Barnes ?

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives...kers_cavaliers/

Im not really being serious, Im talking from fantasy island

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/184106https://brownsboard.com/post/184106Thu, 22 Jul 2010 21:23:46 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Let's talk about the NEW Cavs on Thu, 22 Jul 2010 21:12:27 GMT]]>we could not get them all when they were younger and we had LeBron, why would they come now ? We will only worsen our cap space with these guys which will hurt us in the future.

And talking of future why are we trying so hard for Matt Barnes ?

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives...kers_cavaliers/

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@hoorta said:

We need to go in the other direction- think young guys- like it or not, the Cavs are in a rebuild mode. Grant Hill is a clone of Jamison, so is McGrady for that matter- with less production BTW- we don't need them. We're still OK at power forward. Don't forget about Leon Powe. Iverson's 35, at the end of the road with no better current production than Mo Williams.

Center? I'll still take Shaq for limited minutes if he'll work vet minimum, but I have the feeling he'll do that- in Miami- to chase one more ring. Look for Hixon and Andy to split time at the 5, though Hixon's undersized, and Andy's undermuscled for it.

I want Iverson, Mo, McGrady, Hill, Varejao all on the court at once with Hickson, Jamison, West and who ever coming off the bench. Were gonna run the shit outta them score loads of points and play absolutely no defense. And we dont need no stinkin center. 😵 :wacko:

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@brownindian said:

Grant Hill wants a long term contract which many teams are not willing to give given his age and wage demands. It is good for teams that have the cap and are not looking to rebuild completely but for us, it is bad.

We need to go in the other direction- think young guys- like it or not, the Cavs are in a rebuild mode. Grant Hill is a clone of Jamison, so is McGrady for that matter- with less production BTW- we don't need them. We're still OK at power forward. Don't forget about Leon Powe. Iverson's 35, at the end of the road with no better current production than Mo Williams.

Center? I'll still take Shaq for limited minutes if he'll work vet minimum, but I have the feeling he'll do that- in Miami- to chase one more ring. Look for Hixon and Andy to split time at the 5, though Hixon's undersized, and Andy's undermuscled for it.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/184006https://brownsboard.com/post/184006Thu, 22 Jul 2010 18:00:07 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Let's talk about the NEW Cavs on Thu, 22 Jul 2010 16:14:36 GMT]]>He's 37 years old, he's not going to get a long term contract from anybody. No matter what his demands are

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nmills said:

I'd like to see us get Grant Hill, Tracy McGrady and Allen Iverson

Grant Hill wants a long term contract which many teams are not willing to give given his age and wage demands. It is good for teams that have the cap and are not looking to rebuild completely but for us, it is bad.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/183965https://brownsboard.com/post/183965Thu, 22 Jul 2010 15:11:01 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Let's talk about the NEW Cavs on Tue, 20 Jul 2010 01:31:37 GMT]]>I want young players and draft picks. Everyone but Varejao and Hickson can go. I'm afraid we go out and overspend for some mediore vet.

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]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/183554https://brownsboard.com/post/183554Tue, 20 Jul 2010 01:31:37 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Let's talk about the NEW Cavs on Sat, 10 Jul 2010 15:57:12 GMT]]>You know at first I was done with the NBA. Not being a homer or anything, just the overall feel of the situation of the NBA as a whole. But you know what I LOVE GILBERT. Why do the Cavs need to be punished for the asshole actions of a few players. F*ck LeBron. I have a new affinity for Gilbert and MY Cavs. I will be at more games this season and support my team 100%. Gilbert is the best thing to happen to Cleveland since Jim Brown and Bernie. GO CAVS!

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/182433https://brownsboard.com/post/182433Sat, 10 Jul 2010 15:57:12 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Let's talk about the NEW Cavs on Sat, 10 Jul 2010 12:51:27 GMT]]>I'd like to see us get Grant Hill, Tracy McGrady and Allen Iverson

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/182416https://brownsboard.com/post/182416Sat, 10 Jul 2010 12:51:27 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Let's talk about the NEW Cavs on Sat, 10 Jul 2010 03:31:32 GMT]]>We'll trade Delonte and take on a deal someone's trying to shed... but someone who could be a scorer.

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@the-gipper said:

OK, but Delonte West is really a pretty damn good player. Worth 4 million to keep him in this market.

The only catch would be his legal troubles...and his bi-polar disorder.

Why get rid of him when he is such a talent?

I'm with you.

I always thought that if West was more of a featured scorer in an offense without LeBron that he could be very effective. Two years ago before his problems flared he was our second most effective scorer and playmaker. He's a very gritty defender too and plays longer than his height.

At the press conference today though Grant made it sound like West was going to be cut. He actually stated that we had $13 million in cap space and someone caught him and he said they hadn't made a decision on Delonte.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/182385https://brownsboard.com/post/182385Sat, 10 Jul 2010 01:33:05 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Let's talk about the NEW Cavs on Sat, 10 Jul 2010 00:31:17 GMT]]>I think the Cavs will make some moves with expiring contracts and 13 mill to spend. They'll look for someone who can score off the dribble (ironically, Delonte can).

I'd assume Jamison, Hickson, and Williams are keepers and starters. That leave the 2 and 5 open.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/182383https://brownsboard.com/post/182383Sat, 10 Jul 2010 00:31:17 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Let's talk about the NEW Cavs on Fri, 09 Jul 2010 23:12:59 GMT]]>I would love to have Shaq or Z or both back I just dont see it happening, Shaq will probably go to Miami and play for minimum to get another ring I dont see Cleveland being appealing to him anymore and I have to believe Z's gonna retire

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nmills said:

Here's my starting lineup

JJ Hickson F

Jamario Moon F

Anthony Parker G-F

Anderson Varajao F-C

Mo Williams G

Backups

Daniel Gibson G

Daniel Greene F-G

Antawn Jamison F

Leon Powe F

Jawad Williams F

Obviously we need to find atleast one true center

I say if Shaq and Z still want to play here, and for the right price, we keep them. All things considered, there is NO player in the league with the voice of authority that Shaquille O'Neal has, no matter how over the hill he may be. And Z is a loyal player to this team...and has married a local girl....and deserves consideration for that.

Besides, WHO out there at center would in reality be better than either of these two?

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@lebrent said:

Shaq and Z are unrestricted free-agents and Delonte is most likely soon to join them because we can cut him and add $4 mil to our cap space

OK, but Delonte West is really a pretty damn good player. Worth 4 million to keep him in this market.

The only catch would be his legal troubles...and his bi-polar disorder.

Why get rid of him when he is such a talent?

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/182373https://brownsboard.com/post/182373Fri, 09 Jul 2010 22:44:53 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Let's talk about the NEW Cavs on Fri, 09 Jul 2010 22:09:01 GMT]]>Here's my starting lineup

JJ Hickson F

Jamario Moon F

Anthony Parker G-F

Anderson Varajao F-C

Mo Williams G

Backups

Daniel Gibson G

Daniel Greene F-G

Antawn Jamison F

Leon Powe F

Jawad Williams F

Obviously we need to find atleast one true center

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/182367https://brownsboard.com/post/182367Fri, 09 Jul 2010 22:09:01 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Let's talk about the NEW Cavs on Fri, 09 Jul 2010 21:50:55 GMT]]>Shaq and Z are unrestricted free-agents and Delonte is most likely soon to join them because we can cut him and add $4 mil to our cap space

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/182363https://brownsboard.com/post/182363Fri, 09 Jul 2010 21:50:55 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Let's talk about the NEW Cavs on Fri, 09 Jul 2010 20:13:04 GMT]]>The Cavs didn't waste any time deleting LBj's name from their website. I checked the roster and he is off. The players that are on that roster are the following:

Daniel Gibson G

Daniel Greene F-G

JJ Hickson F

Zydrunus C

Antawn Jamison F

Jamario Moon F

Shaquille O'Neal C

Anthony Parker G-F

Leon Powe F

Sebastian Telfair G

Delonte West G-F

Anderson Varajao F-C

Jawad Williams F

Mo Williams G

Shaq is on here but is listed as a Free Agent. I don't know if that means he is free to go wherever, or if he is restricted somehow. I think it is questionable at this point if he will stay here, though I personally would like to see it. Who really is a bigger star in this league than Shaquille O'Neal? At least the Cavs could get some marketing push...and some personality out of Shaq.

Other than he and Z who are strictly 5s, and Mo Williams who is a 1, and Telfair who I think has to be a backup 1, the rest of these players seem to be interchangeable in their positions.

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@the-gipper said:

So? What would be the Cavs lineup right now?

Are Shaq and Z still here to hold down the center position?

Varajao, I assume would be the power forward...or

Is he a backup to Jamison who would be the power forward.

Or is Jamison the small forward. If not, who plays small forward, the Queen's former position.

Guards? Mo Williams at point? Delonte at shooting guard?

And Hickson? Where does he fit in?

Lots of ?s to be answered. Scott has had worse lineups and turned them into really good teams.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/182330https://brownsboard.com/post/182330Fri, 09 Jul 2010 18:59:59 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Let's talk about the NEW Cavs on Fri, 09 Jul 2010 18:51:16 GMT]]>So? What would be the Cavs lineup right now?

Are Shaq and Z still here to hold down the center position?

Varajao, I assume would be the power forward...or

Is he a backup to Jamison who would be the power forward.

Or is Jamison the small forward. If not, who plays small forward, the Queen's former position.

Guards? Mo Williams at point? Delonte at shooting guard?

And Hickson? Where does he fit in?

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@brownindian said:

Are there any more free agents that can help us form a decent team ? I honestly would not mind shaq again for a 1 year deal if he can be fit enough to play.

Richard Jefferson would be a good addition, I also wouldnt mind Tmac to tell you the truth, If we could get big Yao to join then we would be able to compete a bit more. We will make a few good more in the next week after the dust settles.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/182320https://brownsboard.com/post/182320Fri, 09 Jul 2010 18:39:40 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Let's talk about the NEW Cavs on Fri, 09 Jul 2010 18:30:31 GMT]]>Are there any more free agents that can help us form a decent team ? I honestly would not mind shaq again for a 1 year deal if he can be fit enough to play.

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@silverback said:

The Cavs are now the Browns of the NBA....

By that you mean that they are a team that has been down, but are now up and coming and ready to be very competitive?

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