@rich4eagle said:

you nailed it......this slug is nothin but a wasted roster position.......how can he be anything but a demotivating factor to his teamates who get the team concept and how it is their responsibility to play balls to the

wall each and every time they are on the field...he is a liability that will never help the Browns win ball games......here's hoping his continued nonhackin' "career" with the Browns is quickly spiraling to a finale

@rich4eagle said:

The price would probably be your life, there's a little sand in the treads to

@rich4eagle said:

They gotta few tanks 5 minutes from my house at the Ravenna arsenal...good luck gettin one

@feartheroo said:

that was cool. I want my right to bear arms. I want to buy a tank! Ballpeen, if tanks are illegal at one end of the spectrum then hand guns can be too and the other end of the spectrum. They serve no purpose but to shoot people, often a friend or relative or in a hate crime. Want defense get a rifle or a tank. That's my view and I am sticking with it. Anyone, know where I get a good used Abrams A1

Now I do understand that exception would have be made for those who need handguns for certain activities or situations.

07/15/2010 07/15/2010 D1 CS REPARATION FEE RC 2743.70 ; 2937.22 ; 2949.091

07/15/2010 07/15/2010 D1 DR COURT REPORTER FEE

07/15/2010 07/15/2010 P MO MOTION FILED FOR SUPPLEMENTAL DIVERSION AGREEMENT, FILED.

07/15/2010 07/15/2010 P MO MOTION FILED FOR FORFEITURE AGREEMENT, FILED.

07/15/2010 07/15/2010 P MO DIVERSION WAIVER FORM, FILED.

07/15/2010 07/15/2010 P MO DIVERSION AGREEMENT, FILED.

07/15/2010 07/15/2010 N/A BN $1,000.00 PERSONAL BOND POSTED ON 07/15/2010 BY DEFENDANT. BOND NO. 579114

07/15/2010 07/15/2010 N/A CS PRISONER IN COURT

07/15/2010 07/15/2010 N/A JE DEFENDANT PRESENT WITH COUNSEL. DEFENDANT RETAINED D'ANGELO, PATRICK A AS COUNSEL. IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE PROVISIONS OF R.C. 2935.36, THE PROSECUTOR'S OFFICE HAS FOUND THAT THE DEFENDANT HAS MET ELIGIBILITY REQUIREMENTS FOR ACCEPTANCE INTO THE CUYAHOGA COUNTY PRE-TRIAL DIVERSION PROGRAM. THE DEFENDANT, AS A CONDITION OF PARTICIPATION IN THE CUYAHOGA COUNTY PRE-TRIAL DIVERSION PROGRAM, HAS KNOWINGLY, VOLUNTARILY, AND INTELLIGENTLY WAIVED HIS/HER CONSTITUTIONAL AND STATUTORY RIGHTS TO A SPEEDY TRIAL, FROM THE DATE OF HIS/HER REFERRAL TO THE PROGRAM, UNTIL THE DATE HIS/HER PARTICIPATION IN THE PROGRAM TERMINATES. SPECIFICALLY, THE DEFENDANT HAS WAIVED HIS/HER RIGHT TO HAVE THE CASE BROUGHT TO TRIAL WITHIN 90 DAYS OF HIS/HER ARREST AND FORMAL CHARGE(S), IF HE/SHE IS INCARCERATED, OR 270 DAYS IF HIS/HER ARREST AND FORMAL CHARGE(S), IF HE/SHE IS NOT INCARCERATED. FURTHERMORE, IF THE DEFENDANT FAILS TO COMPLETE THE PROGRAM, HE/SHE HAS GIVEN UP THE RIGHT TO HAVE THE GRAND JURY TAKE FINAL ACTION ON THIS CASE AND AGREES TO BE CHARGED BY WAY OF INFORMATION. THE DEFENDANT HAS WAIVED ALL PERIODS OF LIMITATION ESTABLISHED BY STATUTE OR RULE(S) OF COURT, THAT ARE APPLICABLE TO THE OFFENSE(S) FOR WHICH HE/SHE MAY BE CHARGED. IN ALL CASES ADMITTED INTO THE DIVERSION PROGRAM, THE DEFENDANT SHALL BE GRANTED A $1000.00 PERSONAL BOND (CSR), AND SHALL BE PLACED UNDER THE SUPERVISION OF THE PROBATION DEPARTMENT'S COURT SUPERVISED RELEASE PROGRAM/DIVERSION UNIT. UPON CONSIDERATION, THE COURT HEREBY APPROVES THE DEFENDANT'S PARTICIPATION IN SAID PROGRAM, AND ORDERS THAT THIS CASE TO BE PLACED IN AN INACTIVE STATUS UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE. WAIVED RIGHTS ORIG BOND CONT AT 1,000.00 DOLLARS. BOND TYPE: PERSONAL. . JUDGE PROGRAM, DIVERSION (296) ASSIGNED (MANUALLY).

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04/03/2010 04/03/2010 N/A GP 10% CASH BOND SET AND POSTED, AMOUNT $1,000.00

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04/01/2010 04/03/2010 N/A CR ARRESTED 04/01/2010

What you don't see here are the terms and conditions of his "supervision" while in the diversionary program.

nmills said:

A suspension? Not sure what you mean by "suspension". The NFL absolutely can issue a suspension to a player even if charges are never brought, charged, whatever. Note the BR case. No charges were ever filed, yet the NFL suspended him.

If you are talking about another arena, as in "can a court suspend a persons right to carry a weapon even though that person has successfully completed the terms of his diversionary program and the charges against him dismissed" I believe the answer their lies completely within the discretion of the court. "Not owning or possessing a weapon for some period" may in fact be one of those "milestones" you refer to that he may have to accomplish.

It is difficult to say. You have to see what the complete terms of conditions of his diversionary program are.

But, yes, it is certainly possible that his "right to carry a weapon" could be reinstated after he has successfully completed a diversionary program. He would not fall under the "convicted felon" category that would cause him to be "under disability".

@ballpeen said:

I think he wants to buy a tank?.......but wouldn't it be hard navigating the shitty hills of Pittsburgh in a tank?.....maybe he can run over sidney crosby and ben rothlisburger in his tank....that would be awesome...........

Grinder said:

one good thing is if he gets a 2 game suspension he will be fresh doown the stretch.

now that answer was just plain quizzical........guns are the reason this a free country...........BOOK it as the most interesting thing ever posted or written anywhere....

BTW, we are not free.......try buying a tank and bringing it home as your gun.............

The right to think the sun revolves around the earth is operational as well

Time to make the right to own hand guns..............less than operational

want to bear arms OWN a rifle or a Tank........

oops owning tanks are illegal

take it up with the supreme court

sumtimes stupid laws keep on the books because of stupid people.........hand guns have no place in civilization

He is useless crap and will be out of football before he can help us win anything

Right now the best thing we can do is trade him for a pick and hope.

because he will lead us nowhere in his time here

Thanks Sewage for that Swine

Formerly Stone said:

that is funny LIBERAL response..................

too funny...............brilliant

gun control is a tight, 5 shot diamond shaped pattern

@ballpeen said:

How could a person be required take a gun safety course and not be in possession of a firearm?? The law prohibiting isn't owning a firearm, it's possessing a firearm. One doesn't have to own to be in possession. you dont have to own to be in possession but if you own arent you possessing?

I know my dad had a felony and when I bought my first gun I had to put it in my step mom's name because he was not allowed to own or possess

nmills said:

Not to get technical here....but no in this case.

How could a person be required take a gun safety course and not be in possession of a firearm?? The law prohibiting isn't owning a firearm, it's possessing a firearm. One doesn't have to own to be in possession.

I have been through a few gun safety courses. First with my Grandfather, then Uncle Sam, them the state of Tennessee.

In every one of them a real gun is used. If not, it's like teaching a carpenter his trade without allowing him to handle a hammer or saw.

Kind of pointless to be honest.

@the-gipper said:

I think we need to wait and see what conditions are put on him pursuant to his sentencing.

I agree.

I do agree the idea of a gun safety class seems to indicate the plan isn't to slap him with a felony where owning a handgun is prohibited for the remainder of his life. Sounds like the deal is struck IMO, but as you said, no use speculating on what or what might not happen.

Right??

@the-gipper said:

Here's a question since your much smarter about the judicial system than I am. If the court sets milestones for you to accomplish in order for charges to be dropped and you complete them all. Your not charged with any crime, can they still enforce a suspension after charges have been dropped?

nmills said:

But, again, a condition of that remedy may be that he not own or possess a firearm for some period. That is purely within the discretion of the judicial officer to impose.

Perhaps we should take a poll: Does anyone really give a ratatouille if Roger's is henceforth allowed to carry a weapon?

@sisky-fringo said:

it also seems obvious that it wouldn't be a misdemeaner, but like i said i just don't know.

if it was in his checked luggage, on most airlines it wouldn't even be an issue right now. maybe he thought it was packed in his checked luggage and then tried to play it off. it's possible?

at any rate, if it's not a felony or if he successfully completes his "stuff" he definitely won't lose it moving forward, not even temporarily.

although, if it is a felony (which it probably is) it was most likely effective immediately, so he may not have the right as i type this. then again, there is the whole "innocent until proven guilty" aspect so why would he have to surrender others he owns?

notwithstanding hidden conditions (which i don't believe there are any) if he completes everything all will be restored and as before with no further suspension or restrictions. it's pretty black and white regarding that.

A. Air traffic control and security is definitely federal. It is all regulated by the FAA and the security is administered by the TSA, though, it is possible, within the discretion of the arresting authority to bring whatever charges may apply either under Federal or State laws...or even city ordinances.

B. Thus, it is entirely possible to be a misdemeanor. There are even Federal misdemeanors. A Misd. conviction may not necessarily cause him to become under disability, but he could still be under terms or probation or diversion that could prohibit him from owning or possessing firearms.

C. FYI, even if he were convicted of a felony, and completes his parole/probation whatever successfully, and if he is a first time criminal offender, and if he waits the requisite number of years he could apply for an expungement of his conviction which could in fact reactivate his right to own/possess. But, he sure as hell better not have any subsequent offenses.

it also seems obvious that it wouldn't be a misdemeaner, but like i said i just don't know.

if it was in his checked luggage, on most airlines it wouldn't even be an issue right now. maybe he thought it was packed in his checked luggage and then tried to play it off. it's possible?

at any rate, if it's not a felony or if he successfully completes his "stuff" he definitely won't lose it moving forward, not even temporarily.

although, if it is a felony (which it probably is) it was most likely effective immediately, so he may not have the right as i type this. then again, there is the whole "innocent until proven guilty" aspect so why would he have to surrender others he owns?

notwithstanding hidden conditions (which i don't believe there are any) if he completes everything all will be restored and as before with no further suspension or restrictions. it's pretty black and white regarding that.

nmills said:

IF he does not come out of this with a felony, and IF he completes his required conditions....which may include a certain period of years in which he cannot own or possess, then yes, he may get the ability again some time to either own/possess/carry.

I think we need to wait and see what conditions are put on him pursuant to his sentencing.

@neweradawg said:

Two things: Don't try to bring it through airport security and don't become a felon. That may not be the comprehensive list of "Don'ts", but at least you now know to avoid those two things. If you don't avoid those two anyway, they will "pry".