I can get you directions... I don't believe

their address even shows up on our GPS.... @@

They're Amish... no phone...GGG

but if you ever make it there, they are great folks, and they really know their stuff.

i'm around ironton (southern most part)

http://www.tomatogardeningguru.com/pests-disease.html

https://indianaberry.com/

http://www.gardenguides.com/102289-fish-em...n-tomatoes.html

http://faq.gardenweb.com/faq/lists/organic...0041031662.html

http://homeharvest.com/seaweed.htm

http://howtogardenguide.com/2009/05/12/fish-emulsion/

http://safe-fertilizer-reviews.com/reviews.html

feel free to ask me stuff via email, etc. I don't know it all by any stretch,

but we're into it hugely, and having a lot of fun with our giant garden.

i get ours from an Amish farb supplies stpore way out in the country called Yoders here in ohio.

you will prbably have to order it from places like E&R in indiana, or catalogs like 'totally tomatoes'.

under 20 bucks a gallon - 2-4 oz per gallon of spray.

our close freinds down the road have horses, my family does too.

compost is unbelievable in getting outstanding growth in gardens.

btw, our first farbers market, wesold out ofa lot of produce early.

the super selling items were tomatoes, cherry tomatoes, and all natural wild blackberries.

There's more produce vendors this year, we are the only one with cherry tomatoes. Kids and adults rave

over them. We grow three different types - a sunsugar gold, a chocolate cherry, and a super sweet

I forget it's name.

They put any other cherry tomatoes on earth to shame, I think.

Really outstanding for snacks. It's fun to hand out samples of them - it gets huge sales...

ggg

a lot of buyers remember us from last year, when we didn't have many cherry tomatoes at all.

@calfoxwc said:

wiyh amino acids... etc.

horse shit works really well, too. If I had a farm, I would barter with gorse stable to take their shit away for free. they get rid of their horse shit, i get fertilizer. of course you want to give it a year to break down before applying it.

@calfoxwc said:

is this sort of stuff available for personal gardening? any links would be greatly appreciated.

Maybe you should take a job in private sector and learn how a business works.

If America is the bread basket to the world, we need cheap food to feed the masses.

Funny that you don't see the current policy of the government telling agribusiness to grow more soy, wheat, cotton, rice, and corn than they normally would as "progressives" telling them what they can and can't do with their land. But removing those subsidies, or switching them to subsidize better farming practices, and to make healthier foods more affordable, is some scary progressive nightmare.

It's not. It's called good public policy.

@heckofajobbrownie said:

I agree with you on this.

@heckofajobbrownie said:

As crazy as Cal is, we'd be a whole lot better if we subsidized what he grows, and how he takes care of his land, than what we do now.

But here you go back to your progressive thinking of wanting to control everything that a person does with their own land and business.

What a shame.

wiyh amino acids... etc.

our soil is composted more every fall,

but we still use roundup on the soybean fields - it's the only way.

but we have 940 all natural tomato plants -

we keep selling out.

natural is good.

i

think.

whay;s yer excuse for being crazy heck?

the giant corp farmers have giant expenses, and everything to lose. they cut costs and losses in giant mass prodution

all sorts of waysm and end up using unhealthy artificial fertilizers, dagerous toxic insecticides and

disease3 prevention sprays, and monsanto genetically mdifird seed

9growth)

and all the time, they are destroying their soil, so they add even more bad stuff later.

the giant food co.s aregreedy too - and the watered down, fillered, cooked/processed and super cheaf additives, like heck mentioned with

corn syrup, are without legit food value that occuurs in prododuce naturally.

like vitamines, enzymes and the cancer fighting lycopene in tomatoes,

tomorrow i'm going to start making my own vegetable and fruit juice wiyh mt juicer

for the healing heaqlth benefits.

hunting and pecking sucks. dammit.

the upside is,b i avoided taking a pain pill today.

So while corn isn't bad for you, it is when they process it into a sugar substitute because we've created financial incentives for them to do that, and for food companies to use it in their products because it's cheaper. Go to Whole Foods and you'll find the best produce around, and the best products. You'll also find them incredibly expensive when compared to the prices at the regular supermarket. Subsidies aren't the only reason for this, but they're a big part of it.

We could subsidize carrots and tomatoes and broccoli, but we don't. We subsidize unhealthy crops, which, in turn, subsidizes the creation of unhealthy foods. $25 billion a year for the big five - rice, wheat (carbs), soy (fats), and corn (sugar). (Cotton is the other, but you don't eat that, obviously.)

Why are poor people the most likely to be obese in this country? Because shitty food is a lot cheaper than good food. And a big part of the reason why is because of our horrific farm policy.

So how do you stop Coke and Pepsi? Well, I have no desire to stop Coke and Pepsi. But there's no reason to subsidize Coke and Pepsi to be cheaper than it should be, and less healthy. I'd rather subsidize fruit growers, or better yet, nothing at all. (You can pour lots of corn syrup into fruit juice too, and most of them do. This is why singling out soda is sort of unfair.)

As crazy as Cal is, we'd be a whole lot better if we subsidized what he grows, and how he takes care of his land, than what we do now.

@vaportrail said:

Check out this article, it's about raising taxes on the amount of sugar in soft drinks.

I think it's a great idea. Personally, I never drink pop (I get enough useless calories from alcohol, anyways), unless I need to stay up and study for an exam. I just haven't done the whole thing since 2adays in high school. Cutting pop out of my diet has made me healthier (I think), and I'm not regularly getting a habit-forming drug (caffeine), which is also good.

It is a great idea. Carbonated soft drinks have no nutritional value whatsoever. It is a luxury, therefore taxing it is not a problem at all. It's bad for your kidneys, stomach, teeth.

@heckofajobbrownie said:

Personally, I'm against all mathematical representations of every day measurements. You know what else is terrifying? QB ratings.

Those numbers served DA and Quinn well.

@heckofajobbrownie said:

Only if your DA or BQ lol.

Personally, I'm against all mathematical representations of every day measurements. You know what else is terrifying? QB ratings.

If someone does not hold the the national BMI would you propose they do not get proper treatment under government HC, or do you want to make all fatboys and girls wear a badge.