RB: Chris Johnson

FB: Tony Richardson is pretty dang good

TE: Dallas Clark

WR1: Andre Johnson

WR2: Larry Fitzgerald

LT: Joe Thomas

LG: Steve Hutchinson

Nick Mangold

RG: Don't know much about RG. Bobbie Williams is a road-grater, so I guess I'll say him. He's pretty much the only RG I know.

RT: Same here. Andre Smith has amazing potential, he was throwing people around in the Eagles game, but got gassed very quickly. He has the chance to be the best, but as of right now I'm not sure. Don't know any RT. Jared Gaither, I guess?

DT/NG 1: Kevin Williams

DT/NG 2: Domata Peko

DE1: Jared Allen

DE2: Mario Williams

OLB1: Demarcus Ware

OLB2: Harrison (Steelers)

MLB1: Patrick Willis

MLB2: Ray Lewis

CB1: Nmandi Asoughma

CB2: Revis

FS: Ed Reed

SS: Troy Polamalu

K: Nate Kaeding

P: Shane Lechler

LS:

KR: Josh Cribbs

@the-gipper said:

The question is who WOULD you rank as the best in the NFL at each of these positions, not who wouldn't you.

If we wanted to make a list of who we wouldn't rank, we would be here a long time

Well for me, at least 1/32'd of my list would be quick...

I wouldn't rank any Steelers.

@steeler-schick said:

The next player to have his career killed in dirty, dirty Cleveland.

We hardly knew ye, Jacob.

Regards.....

.... an'at

OK, so, you are saying that you would not rank Delhomme as the best QB in all the NFL. We get that, who would.

The question is who WOULD you rank as the best in the NFL at each of these positions, not who wouldn't you.

If we wanted to make a list of who we wouldn't rank, we would be here a long time.

The next player to have his career killed in dirty, dirty Cleveland.

We hardly knew ye, Jacob.

Regards.....

.... an'at

Quarterbacks better than Roethlisberger:

1. Manning I GIVE YA MANNING

2. Brady I GIVE YA BRADY

3. Brees hmmm.... maybe so but not for long

4. Favre No.... But still an awesome player

5. Kurt Warner when he unretires hmmm...NO WAY...

6. Rodgers He is On Bens Level

7. Romo Not Quite... but not bad.

8. Schaub FUNNY , lol funny

9. Rivers He is on Bens Level

10th ... I think I'd go with Carson Palmer, Eli Maning or a healthy Matt Hassleback over Ben ... at least they will be there for their team the whole season....

Zombo=Jackass

LOL

RB: C. Johnson (Tenn)

FB: L. McClain (Ratbirds)

TE: V. Davis (49ers)

WR1: L Fitzgerald (Phoenix)

WR2: D. Jackson (Philly)

LT: J. Thomas (Brownis)

LG: Chris Kemoeatu, Pittsburgh Steelers

C Mangold (Jets)

RG: B Moore (Jets)

RT:Michael Oher, Baltimore Ravens

DT/NG 1: Casey Hampton (Steelers)

DT/NG 2: Haloti Ngata (Baltimore Ravens)

DE1: Allen (Vikes)

DE2:Freeney (Colts)

OLB1: J. Harrison (Steelers)

OLB2: D Ware (Cowboys)

MLB1: Ray Ray (UGH) Ratbirds

MLB2: Bart Scott JETS

CB1: Revis Jets

CB2: Woodson GB

FS: C Hope (Tenn)

SS: TROY (Steelers)

K: Nate Kaeding San Diego

P: Mike Scifres, SD

LS: Cant say....

KR: Cribbs ... ( too me he is a Threat to score Every time)

IMHO

@maddogg7888 said:

RB: Chris Johnson, but watch out for ryan matthews in SD in the next few years

FB: Vickers is extremely solid, i'm not too into knowing many other FB's either TBH

TE: Dallas Clark, man just does it all.

WR1: Andre Johnson

WR2: Larry Fitz, easily

LT: Joe Thomas, not a homer pick just true

LG: Steve Huchinson

Nick Mangold

RG: Jahri Evans or Snee are both really solid

RT: Jared Gaither

DT/NG 1: Kevin Williams

DT/NG 2: Shaun Rogers when he plays to his ability

DE1: Jared Allen

DE2: Dwight Freeney/mario williams

OLB1: Demarcus Ware

OLB2: Lamar Woodley i guess

MLB1: Patrick Willis, dude is just a man child

MLB2: Jon Beason, living in charlotte I see this guy play a lot and he is just flat out amazing

CB1: I'll put Revis here even though i'm still not 100% sold on him

CB2: eh, charles woodson just because of how he's been for so long

FS: Ed Reed, even unhealthy that dude is just a playmaker

SS: Troy Polamalu, don't hate brownies that's just true

K: Rob Bironas

P: Shane Lechler, dude just bombs the ball

LS: Ryan Pontbriand

KR: Josh Cribbs, that's just as obvious as it gets for me

@miktoxic said:

I certainly respect your opinion I just wanted a explanation. Rivers has never impressed me, especially with all that talent around him. Gates, LT in his prime during the early parts of his career. Vincent Jackson and a solid o-line. He was never able to really do anything with it. You then add in the fact that the dude has a legit attitude problem. (Yes I'm aware Ben is a womanizer) I just don't like the guy as a QB and while his arm is pretty accurate it's not terribly strong. I just can't find justification anywhere to even place the guy in the top 5 let alone the top spot. Toughest QB in the league is Ben outside of Brett Favre in his prime and now for that matter. Favre drives me nuts now but one thing you can never take away from the man is his desire to play the game and play through everything. Ben on the other hand is huge, hard to bring down and he comes like a freight train.

Either way you're entitled to your opinion. I just wanted some elaboration.

Homotron said:

just my opinion dude. yeah he can be quite the whiner but i like the way he talks shit to the other team, almost daring them to take his head off (which one day they probably will). oooh. sad face.

Its like me sayin MoMass is number 1 WR

Fact: Big Ben was on the first superbowl team that the defense won for yall, and the refs helped

Fact: Big Ben is a really good QB

Fact: Big Ben likes raping women

Fact: He fights with his teammates and they really dont like him...Hines Ward Anybody????

Brees, Manning hands down are better and if your talking this year and last year Rodgers no doubt, and Shaub.....

Dont get me wrong Big Ben is good, but not even close to the best

I would put Big Ben in front of Romo, Mcnabb, ELi Manning, but not Jake the Snake

@miktoxic said:

1. phillip rivers toughest s.o.b. besides big ben (sorry guys)

2. drew brees

3. peyton manning (IS one of the biggest chokers college/nfl and horse face #2 next to elway) hit him and he's done

4. aaron rodgers

5. ben roethlisberger can't argue with the titles

Rivers at 1? Based on what? He's a damn cry baby hot head as well and has done nothing in the playoffs.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/412395-...history#page/26

@thaak said:

I agree, if these guys are better than Vickers, then they are monsters. McClain might get a nod for me, because as a short yardage and pass catching full back, he is very good. Not sure how good he actually is as a blocker, but if Rice's production is any clue, he's pretty good.

Of course, I remember the days when the Fullback was actually THE running back for most NFL teams. Jim Brown was a fullback. Jim Taylor was a fullback. John Henry Johnson was a fullback. Cookie Gilchrist was a fullback. Matt Snell was a fullback. John Riggins was a fullback. Pete Johnson was a fullback. Bill Brown of the Vikings was a fullback. John Brockington was a fullback. Don Perkins of the Cowboys was a fullback. Sam "Bam" Cunningham was a fullback. Larry Csonka was a fullback. Earl Campbell was a fullback. And perhaps many more, and these, as I said, were the primary ground gainers for their teams. That, of course has changed. I don't think we really have the position of "Halfback" Now, what we really have is a Running back, and a Blocking back. The guys above would have been their teams "Running back", not their blocking back. Fair to say? Ernie Green was the blocking back for Jim Brown, even though he was smaller than JB. Most "Fullbacks" these days are going to be bigger, weight wise, than a team's "running back". Unless you have a Jerome Bettis or someone like that. Was Bettis considered a Fullback? or a Halfback?

@the-gipper said:

I guess perhaps I don't know my fullbacks all that well.....but, if these guys are all better than Vickers, then they must be some kind of beasts

I think a lot of these lists that exclude Browns in the top 1 or 2 are biased towards the lack of Browns offensive production (defensive stopitude) in the last several years.

I agree, if these guys are better than Vickers, then they are monsters. McClain might get a nod for me, because as a short yardage and pass catching full back, he is very good. Not sure how good he actually is as a blocker, but if Rice's production is any clue, he's pretty good.

@daddybull1 said:

You come on this board with the attitude that you know everything, that you're above everyone else...

However your statement that Gay Ben was the only athelete suspended without being convicted of a crime is freakin wrong...

Pac Man Jones was justifibly suspended BUT you freakin idiot, he was never convicted of a crime that warrented his suspension..... Arrested yes, convicted no.....................

I'm not supporting, defending or even saying anything positive about Pac Man, I'm just ONCE AGAIN showing that you're an ignorant homer who made a false statement once again defending your home town hero...... You're a joke.... Why dont you hook up Ben with your sister or mother???

I am not sure he would want to share him with his sister or mother.

But, I will say this: I would agree that I personally would rate BR higher than Romo or Schaub and disagree with Madden on that point.

http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=15476

Regarding SCOUTS INC's list of the Top 200 best overall players in the NFL

(not to shamelessly promote my topic... but very relateable to this one)

@thaak said:

The Madden list had Lousak Polite, Tony Richardson, L. Weaver, and L. McClain ahead of Vickers as a fullback.

I guess perhaps I don't know my fullbacks all that well.....but, if these guys are all better than Vickers, then they must be some kind of beasts.

@packfanperson said:

I would take Antoine Winfield over Charles Woodson any day of the week at cornerback.

Homotron said:

I have not seen many 49er games since Willis has been there so I don't have much to go on, but what I have been reading says that indeed Willis is the bees knees of current middle linebackers in the NFL.

Homotron said:

I repeat. John Madden had them all ahead of him. To my knowledge, Madden does not live in Cleveland.

Romo is a serial choker, Rivers routinely does the same and Schaub's Texans for the first time made the playoffs this past season. Warner has won his super bowls but he's not half the athlete and he was outplayed in the Cards/Steelers Super Bowl. I could go all day with this but in the end I'd just be wasting my time. Big Ben will have several Super Bowls before he retires

He will have the two that he has, and that's it. (

and the Rooneys had a hand in his suspension otherwise I don't believe he would have been suspended at all. FIrst time in NFL history a player has been suspended without a conviction and even then the 4 games is pretty damn harsh. The Rooney's wanted him suspended and in the end I believe it will save his career. I hope you enjoy getting thrown all over.

And what does any of this have to do with him as a QB? The question I posed had nothing to do with that.

Homotron said:

OK, maybe so on McNabb. But just because he may be taken out doesn't mean BR gets put in. In fact that link I gave to Madden's analysis of the best put the following as the best QBs in the league:

Brees

P. Manning

Brady

Rodgers

Rivers

Favre

Romo

Schaub

So, maybe you better log on there and argue with John Madden.

However your statement that Gay Ben was the only athelete suspended without being convicted of a crime is freakin wrong...

Pac Man Jones was justifibly suspended BUT you freakin idiot, he was never convicted of a crime that warrented his suspension..... Arrested yes, convicted no.....................

I'm not supporting, defending or even saying anything positive about Pac Man, I'm just ONCE AGAIN showing that you're an ignorant homer who made a false statement once again defending your home town hero...... You're a joke.... Why dont you hook up Ben with your sister or mother???

T.Dawg

Homotron said:

Horse shit. If the Rooneys wanted him suspended then they could have done it themselves.