@yourdaddyaskyermom said:

Of course they're fans of a frontrunning team... the Steelers are always in front. Even when they finish 2nd ('05) another team hangs a "AFC North" banner and the Steelers bring home the real hardware.

Calling us "frontrunning" fans is like saying you guys root for a team that sucks. Of course you do--you always have. Good on you for that, but it ain't like we've got much choice... to root for the Steelers is to root for a winner.

Pops

Your stupidity is legendary. The true Steeler fans are not frontrunners. The ones that are Steeler fans win or lose -- not frontrunners. But frontrunner nation, those in Ohio, those in the rest of the country, that NEVER WOULD HAVE BEEN STEELER FANS IF THEY HADN'T WON SO MUCH are the frontrunners. Generation X and Generation Y, a HUGE fraction of those two groups, grew up hopping on the Steelers SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY WERE WINNING.

When we say frontrunners, we're NOT talking about the true fans -- the ones actually FROM Pittsburgh or close to it.

All you have to do is look around Ohio or anywhere else in the country. What explains why there are so many "fans" wearing Steeler parafanalia, but not, say, Arizona Cardinals? It's the DIRECT effect of win percentage. Period. There is no other explanation. Most of them, like I said earlier, are from either Generation X or Generation Y and were either molded into fanhood during the 70's Steeler age or the Cowher Era (who had the best win % in the NFL for 15 years.)

How you could not understand the difference and how legit of a claim it is is evidence that some humans are not quite evolved yet. It is not hard to understand. The same damn thing can be seen with people wearing New York Yankees gear across the nation. It's not rocket science.

The Steeler fan base is arguably the largest concentration of frontrunners in Sports history. It's simple logic. I know it hurts, especially for die-hard Steeler fans to have to try and distinguish themselves from the heard of frontrunners, but it's the truth. Accept it, get used to it. Win percentage creates it. Jesus Christ.

Just look at any other team in any other sport that has a great historical win % and you'll see the same thing. Cowboys? Yep. Yankees? Yep. Red Sox recently? Yep. Bulls from the 90s? Yep. Celtics? Yep. Lakers? Yep.

But none worse or more abundant than the frontrunner Steeler "fan" base.

Which leads you to understand why, far and away, the Browns fan base is the best. You won't find a team that continually loses fill up their stadium anything like the Browns. You won't find a team with "backers" clubs all around the world despite constantly losing like the Browns. The Browns fan base is an unexplainable phenom and goes against all logic.

The absolute best.

@winslow-s-urologist said:

So first off, this guy wasn't exactly in the ideal position to see what happened, let alone make the call now, was he? That's why you have the booth with the hi-def stuff in the first place. And that's why they had so little problem reversing.

But hey, even if you still don't want to accept it, please, spare us the "conspiracy to favor the Steelers" tin-foil hat crap, which is just a way to diminish the Steelers' accomplishments and make yourself feel all better when they win. Believe me, this game doesn't even compare to the PLAYOFF the Steelers got jobbed in last January. Which as I said the NFL even admitted was a hold that should've been made. Kinda puts a little damper on that conspiracy theory huh?

The only NFL "Conspiracy" Theory I know of is the Conspiracy to HATE Pittsburgh by a bunch of Petty , spineless whiny Bitchie Fans in NE Ohio...who have to , yes , suffer more than any fan should have to suffer. But ,have used that bitterness to use ungodly amounts of energy to Dispel the Success of their main rival , instead of ignoring us and concentrating on their own damn team ! I mean ...if we have idiot factions of fans rubbing salt into your wounds IGNORE Them. The remainder of us , wont pick on you , until you decide to use asinine logic to claim WE Suck and are coddled and have to "Cheat" to win...its BS and make your fan base look like Dumb asses ! But if that's what you are half-breed Imbeciles...by all means Continue. We will be here to tell you that you are indeed Stupid. And its not all of you . You have some fine football minds. Some smart logical fans who understand that Pittsburgh was built to last , the team will have ups and downs , but will be competitive on a high level most of the time.

@eqrulz101 said:

Well your Obviously wrong there Einstein , Because "Upon Further Review" We WIN ! And Still I have no response from your opinion as to how Officials "Cheat" for the Steelers ,yet Call a Steeler TD back on a "Holding Call" in the same game.... Hmm... Logic rules. Calls are made both good and bad during games. This game we had the Same amount of penalties, but Pitt. had 8 more yards in infractions. Absolutely NO Sign of an Agenda. Add to that , Pitt. LOSSES A TD over a Flag ... and you idiots have No ground to stand on. So keep sounding Jealous and stupid... Its just Par for the course in the "Mistake by the Lake". Loser Mentality rules.

Of course they're fans of a frontrunning team... the Steelers are always in front. Even when they finish 2nd ('05) another team hangs a "AFC North" banner and the Steelers bring home the real hardware.

Calling us "frontrunning" fans is like saying you guys root for a team that sucks. Of course you do--you always have. Good on you for that, but it ain't like we've got much choice... to root for the Steelers is to root for a winner.

Pops

@winslow-s-urologist said:

So first off, this guy wasn't exactly in the ideal position to see what happened, let alone make the call now, was he? That's why you have the booth with the hi-def stuff in the first place. And that's why they had so little problem reversing.

But hey, even if you still don't want to accept it, please, spare us the "conspiracy to favor the Steelers" tin-foil hat crap, which is just a way to diminish the Steelers' accomplishments and make yourself feel all better when they win. Believe me, this game doesn't even compare to the PLAYOFF the Steelers got jobbed in last January. Which as I said the NFL even admitted was a hold that should've been made. Kinda puts a little damper on that conspiracy theory huh?

You are missing the point, if it would have been called a TD on the field no one here would disagree that it should stand. It just should not have been overturned either way. Oh, and stop whining about past games where you got screwed, think the Browns and every other team in the NFL don't have those same games? I'm sure there are Seahawk fans that remember the worst officiated Superbowl in history. I don't believe there is a conspiriacy, I think Coleman is a joke. I can't believe how often refs don't know the rules or have to huddle and see if anyone knows whats the correct call, I think Coleman even text messaged Donovan Mcnabb to see if he could help.

@winslow-s-urologist said:

And besides, there is nothing to admit here -- the replay guys saw the ball break the plane with the high-quality equipment. Haven't you heard? The only glasses being worn here are all Brown. No wonder you can't see.

Well N/M then, I didn't know they were using high quality equipment, I assumed they were using their eyes just like the rest of the sports world.

@winslow-s-urologist said:

It's not us that are trying to find explainations of the call, it's pretty cut and dry. The only reason this topic is going is because you guys can't admit that the call shouldn't have been overturned. You are either wearing Steeler glasses or well... not very football smart. (thats different than being Steeler smart, which i'm sure you are)

@furnier said:

Isn't it funny how these officials suddenly turn into Ray Charles, Stevie Wonder and Helen Keller when they're assigned to a Squealer game? This kind of thing happens WAY too often in Pittshole's favor for it to be a coincidence.

Face it, your team reeks of taint.

Doug

Yes Furnace-man I am here to "Impress" You half bred losers. And You are an English 101 professor now ...wow. I AM Impressed. Or more likely shocked that a Professor is as ignorant as yourself. Get over yourself. You don't come across as the LEAST bit intelligent. And If I wish to Use caps and abbreviations , and fragmented sentences in a "Message Board Post" , I will. Also ,I fail to be injured by your half wit response.

@eqrulz101 said:

I watch because I enjoy the game and I like to root for the Browns. I would like to believe I am wrong about it being rigged but I cant deny what my own eyes have seen. The NFL never comes out and says this was a bad call and fires a ref, they explain it away and if you question a call you get fined. The NFL protects the refs instead of making them own up to these horrible calls. There should be investagations , but that would be bad for business.

If the game is or was "RIGGED"

Why , please Tell me... Did the "Refs" bother t call Back a Steeler TD earlier on a Holding Call ??? Wouldn't ya think they would just have Turned the other way ? Did they Know the Ratbirds D would get Gutted inside of 3 Minutes for 92 yards ?? LOL..what a Bunch of sorry Losers you guys are. Its hilarious !! Also funny that you so totally obsessed with what the Pittsburgh Steelers do. What the Freak do you care ?? Because your losers that's why ! Not piling on , or being mean... you guys are what you are and your words here speak Volumes as to your lunacy !

It crossed the plane EARS.

Steeler SChuck said:

No bias there.

And who calls a PF on a kicker after a bitchy slap like that?

Regards

.... an'at

.

.... fagg'ot

.

Formerly Stone said:

Wow, you are just as smart as he is! The point being made was when possession starts, it starts when no matter what happens from that point on it is a completion. You would be bitching if the roles were reversed and you know it. And there has to be doubt in your mind to explain 10 different ways that it was without doubt an obvious TD. If it was a running back rushing into the endzone there and he made it as far as Holmes did into the endzone it may have been a TD, but still wouldn't be clear enough to overturn a call either way. Well, I guess with those officials it would have been, they had serious issues with the LOS. Chuck, there is no reason to bitch about holding calls, happens all game long. I learned that you bitch and scream about them when they happen and leave it at that, don't think Suggs wasn't getting held, that happened all day too.

@furnier said:

The Squeelers get more cheesedick calls by the officials than ANY other team. I'm sure the Frontrunner nation is A OK with that.

DWJ

Funny how you question an obvious TD catch, complain about the one good call we got and fail to mention how Harrison was held all day long while the zebras sat on their flags.

No bias there.

And who calls a PF on a kicker after a bitchy slap like that?

Regards

.... an'at

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@winslow-s-urologist said:

They dont have time to discuss this game anymore they are getting ready for their big Monday night matchup tonight against Philadelphia with Ken Dorsey as their starting QB hahaha. Cmon you know they have to discuss and talk about what players are going to be good enough to keep for next season when the Browns stink again. That's usually the only thing the Browns have to hang on to or discuss the last 2-3 games of the season since they are never in playoff contention and never have a chance to win anything.

Formerly Stone said:

So if at that magical moment where you said Holmes had possession, what happens if a defender knocks the ball out of his hands? Still a completion? If not, you can't say possession started there because possession starts at the point where an incompletion becomes a fumble. Wouldn't you agree?

I really liked the way the game ended, I am a Browns fan who doesn't like Baltimore or Pittsburgh at all. I'd like to see one of the two miss the playoffs, and this was probably the best case scenerio for that to happen. So i was ok with the Steelers winning, and almost happy that they won it with a call that could never be overturned by replay, but was.

@eqrulz101 said:

How were they robbed?? The Ravens defense is the ones that let the Steelers drive down the field on them 92 yards at the end of the game. Did the refs tell the Ravens to let the Steelers drive down the field on them and go the length of the field with the game on the line?? And like I have been saying on here the Steelers probably go for it on 4th down and make an inch and win the game so it's a moot point. If you want to say the Ravens would have stopped the Steelers I can say the Steelers would have got in. Hindsight is 50/50 in that situation. But once again this whole thing goes back to Browns fans like yourself being bitter and jealous of the Steelers franchise consistently winning and competing for playoffs and Super Bowls every year while the Browns continue to hire losers and continue to settle for being .500 as a successful season. That's the real issue here. You Browns fans would give your left testicle to have a consistent football team with a defense like the Steelers, and a QB like Ben if it meant you would have a chance to compete and win every year. And if you say otherwise you're a liar and full of shit.

UpChuck McCluck said:

Don't use big words Cluck....you'll hurt yourself.

The Squeelers get more cheesedick calls by the officials than ANY other team. I'm sure the Frontrunner nation is A OK with that.

DWJ

@acidhead said:

If the football gods offered to exchange the Steelers players, coaches and ownership in a direct swap for everything Clowns...you would take it grinning like a fool and ejaculating in your pants. Too bad for you it'll never happen, but then again you and furburger can pin your hopes on another teams failure, rather than accept the ineptitude of your own.

Douchebag

@acidhead said:

I can see Furburger now, Tivo on replay trying desperately to find some satisfaction or last straw to grasp onto in another division championship for the Steelers.

Ya, I dont watch wrestling, its fake and Im about there with football after games like steelers and ravens, its borderline fake. Those refs shaped that game, there is no doubt. I am inclined to agree with Formely Stoned on his outlook, do I think the Steelers get every call to go there way? No, but they have gotten their share that is for sure. I dont watch every game of the Steelers but I will say the couple I watch a year has some shady calls going your way and Im not talking about Browns games where I have a vested interest. I could give a shit about the Ravens but they was robbed out of that game last night. You can call names all you want doesnt change the fact those refs where bought and paid for.