@websterslaughter said:

I wouldn't go that far but RB is the most overrated position as far as talent goes. If you have a line, any decent RB will succeed.

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

A RB is always lucky when he break open a big run. Any RB, any time. Most of the time, it's attributed to luck rather than skill. Excluding, of course, AP's run against us last year. That was skill.

So..... He is lucky that an NFL offensive lineman blocked somebody on a play? He's lucky that the 10 other guys on the NFL team he plays on did what they were suppose to do on a run play

Your reaching dude.

P.S.- I'm sure glad that Robo can block, cause he ain't doing much else.

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

A RB is always lucky when he break open a big run. Any RB, any time. Most of the time, it's attributed to luck rather than skill. Excluding, of course, AP's run against us last year. That was skill.

Then why are we even debating who is the running back? The Browns might as well just sign me since I would play for a lot less money and since it requires no skill.

@hx214 said:

How exactly does one get lucky on a forty yard run? Did the entire D Line walk over to the sidelines for a water break on the play? Did the sprinkler heads suddenly turn on and only the defensive players tripped on them while harrison ran by? Maybe the sun was at such an angle that the defense couldn't see anything for just that one play...

No, he got lucky that he wasn't stuffed at the line.... like he was on basically every other carry. He's lucky his offensive linemen decided to block for him. He's lucky that Joe Thomas came over and blindsided the mike linebacker, or he would have been stopped after 5 yards. He's lucky that Robo made a huge block on the corner, knocking him to the ground, and then another equally important block on the safety. That's why he's lucky.

A RB is always lucky when he break open a big run. Any RB, any time. Most of the time, it's attributed to luck rather than skill. Excluding, of course, AP's run against us last year. That was skill.

There's nothing he can "do" other than work out and be ready for next year. If there was something he could do, he would have done it already. Hardesty beat out Arian Foster at UT - he IS a good football player.

There is no "trend" with Hardesty's injuries.

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

Reading through this pissing contest, I stumbled upon this little gem... then I saw 3 people that thanked him for the comment.

How exactly does one get lucky on a forty yard run? Did the entire D Line walk over to the sidelines for a water break on the play? Did the sprinkler heads suddenly turn on and only the defensive players tripped on them while harrison ran by? Maybe the sun was at such an angle that the defense couldn't see anything for just that one play...

@websterslaughter said:

I can agree with some of that. Harrison has done a great deal for this team. He's proven he needs to be utilized more. And I think he will be. But when he isn't drawn up in the gameplan, I think it's for good reason.

To me, i say you play your weapons. I want more Cribs, more Harrision and anyone else you think can make plays for your team. If other guys prove they can break off big plays, get them on the field. Perhaps over-simplified but i still think it is a truth. Hillis, to his credit, showed some skills and i was impressed. The fumbles took away from the performance but as a fan, i'm glad to have him as a Brown. Lastly, i've got to agree to those who say Mangini has a bit of a bug up his butt about Jerome. Just seems like he isn't going to go out of his way to make sure he gets on the field to me. (plus all the praise Monterio was getting -rightfully so- and very few pos-mens for Harrision) I have a feeling Jerome Harrison isn't in Coach Mangini or Holgrem or Heckerts plans , longterm-wise.

They don't see reason when it's staring them right in the face. Quote stats all you want, but you can bet that Holmgren and Co. puts the best player on the field every game.

Here's a ridiculous stat you can start throwing in people's faces, since Harrison is your God.

The Cleveland Browns are 2-0 in games where Harrison has had a touchdown run of at least 71 yards.

@hoorta said:

As to fumbling twice in a game- you can do that if your name is Adrian Peterson. And regards to Hillis' fumbles- I have to agree with the other posters- one couldn't clearly be seen- but the second was a direct result of a helmet right on the ball. not Hillis, not Harrison, not anyone can maintain ball control when that happens.

Sure, Harrison had some great games last year. That was last year. If you want to extrapolate if we had fed him the ball 30 times against the Bucs and give him 180 yards, fine. I can as easily say his 30 carries would net 80 yards- if I use your Chris Johnson logic of the one big run. 2.6 won't win you many games.

Trading draft picks to get a guy with a storied injury history in college was stupid. Especially since Hardesty was not some sort of Heisman candidate. Maybe the pick will pay off. But overall I don't feel he was worth the risk.

@the-hawg said:

Harrison put up some absolutely awesome numbers the oast four games of last season -- not the least of which was approximately 30 carries per game. And you want him to carry the ball that much for at least 18 games? Ver unrealistic!

I don't understand your hatred for Hillis. He fumbled twice in a game. He manned up and took the heat for those fumbles. What else do you want him to do? Come apologize to you personally? You are acting like he fumbled just to ruin your day. I promise, he did not seek you out personally.

While you are worshipping at the shrine of Jerome, how will YOU respond if Harrison were revisited by the fufmble bug? Are you going to throw him under the bus? They are both on the team. Why do you have to hate one and worship the other?

Hey Retard. Harrison fumbled had only 2 fumbles last year. Preseason means nothing. He has only fumbled 3 times in his careers. He is our best option at RB and should be getting most of the carries.

@websterslaughter said:

Look, Holmgren and Heckert aren't armchair quarterbacks. If they were so confident Harrison was "THE MAN" what's your explanation for them trading up to get Hardesty, or even bothering to bring in Hillis in the first place? They're idiots too, and you're not?

As to fumbling twice in a game- you can do that if your name is Adrian Peterson. And regards to Hillis' fumbles- I have to agree with the other posters- one couldn't clearly be seen- but the second was a direct result of a helmet right on the ball. not Hillis, not Harrison, not anyone can maintain ball control when that happens.

Sure, Harrison had some great games last year. That was last year. If you want to extrapolate if we had fed him the ball 30 times against the Bucs and give him 180 yards, fine. I can as easily say his 30 carries would net 80 yards- if I use your Chris Johnson logic of the one big run. 2.6 won't win you many games.

Harrison put up some absolutely awesome numbers the oast four games of last season -- not the least of which was approximately 30 carries per game. And you want him to carry the ball that much for at least 18 games? Ver unrealistic!

I don't understand your hatred for Hillis. He fumbled twice in a game. He manned up and took the heat for those fumbles. What else do you want him to do? Come apologize to you personally? You are acting like he fumbled just to ruin your day. I promise, he did not seek you out personally.

While you are worshipping at the shrine of Jerome, how will YOU respond if Harrison were revisited by the fufmble bug? Are you going to throw him under the bus? They are both on the team. Why do you have to hate one and worship the other?

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

And the fumble certainly didn't cost us the game. No one play determines a game. Once again, hindsight is 20/20. If Harrison isn't getting carries, even though he's this supposed God you claim he is, there must be another reason.

I hate supposed fans who put players before the team. They're called homers, and they're all douchebags.

Your a idiot because you don't make sense. There's no excuse for fumbling twice in a game. I don't think Hillis would be making excuses for it either. And you were probably one of the people yelling about Harrison's supposed fumbling problem in the preseason. And i don't put players before the team. all I'm saying is that we should play our best guy. Harrison has proven already that he is the best player. Give him his carries and we will stand a better chance of winning. 3 wins in a row last year against Buc caliber teams despite no passing game proves my point.

@websterslaughter said:

And Harrison would have fumbled the ball just like Hillis did. I don't understand why people are so quick to blame him for fumbling, yet are reluctant to give credit to the guy who caused the fumble. It's not like he just dropped the ball, Tampa Bay had players putting their hat on the ball. Nobody would have held onto that ball, Harrison included.

And the fumble certainly didn't cost us the game. No one play determines a game. Once again, hindsight is 20/20. If Harrison isn't getting carries, even though he's this supposed God you claim he is, there must be another reason.

I hate supposed fans who put players before the team. They're called homers, and they're all douchebags.

@next2nothing said:

If anything cost us the game it was the INT before halftime. We're up 14 - 3 going in at half and we were moving the ball. That INT swung momentum and the Bucs didn't look back.

While they both were big, the fumble was the back breaker.

@websterslaughter said:

Not trying to take blame off Hillis for fumbling but his fumbles were caused by two great hits, just sayin.

If anything cost us the game it was the INT before halftime. We're up 14 - 3 going in at half and we were moving the ball. That INT swung momentum and the Bucs didn't look back.

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

Your a moron. Hillis had two fumbles, including one that cost us the game. Fumbling isn't part of ball control offense sir. Harrison had no trouble moving the chains while averaging 30+ carries with no passing game to speak of. When has Hillis shown he can do that? And even guys like Chris Johnson don't break long ones every time. He had half of his yards on one play against the Raiders. You have to give running backs their carries for them to be effective.

@websterslaughter said:

And one of those runs was a 40 yard run. Take that run out, and he's got 8 carries for 12 yards. He got stuffed the entire day, except for one lucky run he broke. Whereas Hillis was picking up yards every time he touched the ball. He didn't break open for any real big gains, but he moved the chains. And that's what you want when you're up by only a score in the second half. Ball control offense, look it up.

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

Giving Jerome the rock 20 times against Tampa Bay could have given him 200 yards. Or, which is more likely, it would have given him around 60 yards.

Hindsight is 20/20. Stop acting like you're a xxxxing genius.

He had 9 carries for 52 yards. If you do the math that's better than 5.0 YPC. So what makes you think he would carry 20 times for 60 yards. You don't seem to be well learned in football to me buddy. Last time i checked 5 YPC is pretty good. So why not give him the ball more? Making football more complicated than what it has to be is why Coaches fail. It's not that difficult.

@websterslaughter said:

Well you can say uncomplicated if you wish- but mind bogglingly detailed. Each player gets critiqued on every freaking play, and opponents are scouted for the slightest tendencies that will give you an advantage. Probably isn't a HC in the NFL that doesn't put in a minimum 16 hour day, seven days a week during the season. Those guys earn their money.

@websterslaughter said:

I never once acted like football is complicated. You're just acting like you're the next boy genius, when in reality you're just an armchair quarterback. Believe it or not, I'm quite well learned in football, and I know that you are severely underestimating what it takes to run a professional football team. If you think it's all sunshine and giggles, go right ahead and be my guest. It's not rocket science, but it's not just looking at a guy and saying "Hey, you're fast. You had yards against shit teams. I like you, you be the starter."

Giving Jerome the rock 20 times against Tampa Bay could have given him 200 yards. Or, which is more likely, it would have given him around 60 yards.

Hindsight is 20/20. Stop acting like you're a xxxxing genius.