He made Oakland better when he was there, but they were never a Superbowl Contender. He rode another coaches team to the Superbowl and then got worse every single season that he was coach. He is a supposed "coaching genius" yet he hasn't coached anything other than high school for two seasons now.

Gruden is not the answer, he's just hype.

Mangini and staff have done an EXCELLENT job the last two seasons, especially if you can recall how bad the Browns were the last ten years...

In my opinion; to judge this season, our coaches and our players by the W - L column only, is the wrong thing to do. This team is playing better than I've seen it play in a long while, as evidenced by yesterdays ass-whooping of the Saints.

@1-more-season said:

3-4 wins at best is all mangini is going to get this year. For those of you looking for that participation trophy at the end of the year that should be plenty . Crazy, how some fans think wins is how you jusde a season. Those guys are nuts.

Anyway since I spent all day yesterday at football games and the weather is beautiful here (Carolina blue sky) I could sit inside watch the Browns lose again and read online arguments all day and be miserable this evening me a and the boy are going to ride our dirtbikes. When in doubt gas it!

Good luck all. See you later.

Go Brown's!

So glad I was wrong about the outcome. Even though I followed the game on my phone and knew the Browns won I still watched when I got home. Great Day!!

@choco said:

You think u know so much...but I haven't read anything from u that proves your point...your opinion.

"proper" response.

I think that's all.

@44calexpress said:

Please post with maturity next time. Insulting anonymously is rather cowardice. I'm up for a debate, but calling people 'idiots' and 'a joke' without any real reasoning is waste of a post.

Then why'd you respond?

You think u know so much...but I haven't read anything from u that proves your point...your opinion.

@next2nothing said:

haha

@1-more-season said:

3-4 wins at best is all mangini is going to get this year. For those of you looking for that participation trophy at the end of the year that should be plenty . Crazy, how some fans think wins is how you jusde a season. Those guys are nuts.

Anyway since I spent all day yesterday at football games and the weather is beautiful here (Carolina blue sky) I could sit inside watch the Browns lose again and read online arguments all day and be miserable this evening me a and the boy are going to ride our dirtbikes. When in doubt gas it!

Good luck all. See you later.

Go Brown's!

I said that

3-4 wins at best is all mangini is going to get this year. For those of you looking for that participation trophy at the end of the year that should be plenty . Crazy, how some fans think wins is how you jusde a season. Those guys are nuts.

Anyway since I spent all day yesterday at football games and the weather is beautiful here (Carolina blue sky) I could sit inside watch the Browns lose again and read online arguments all day and be miserable this evening me a and the boy are going to ride our dirtbikes. When in doubt gas it!

Good luck all. See you later.

Go Brown's!

@kshutchins said:

I apologize, I completey missed this post. And i've seen progress too. One would be naive to say this team is the exact same.

And I never said we throw Mangini out this year. I'm simply asking, do we keep Mangini if this team goes 4-12? Or do we continue to ride this train of mediocre satisfaction?

I'm not a pessimist by any stretch of the word, nor am I a "Mangini hater" like many have quickly pointed out. However, I am saying if this team goes through another disappointing top 5-6 pick season, a coaching change should be taken into serious consideration.

Dawgfanforever88 said:

You live in new york. You dislike Eric Mangini despite having any real reason for it. The game of football is ultimately wins and losses yes, but there is so much more that goes into it. It would be like reading just the synopsis of a book and a good amount of the time you cannot do that.

I hope to have many more arguments with you about this team. Its good to have a foil.

good night.

Are you calling me 'blind'? Like I said, I no personal bias against Mangini, I just don't believe he's the right coach.

Answer this, IF this team goes 4-12, then what do we do Mangini, 'O fearless leader? If we don't agree with you, are we blind? Will we be discrepantly alluded to Steeler fans?

C'mon man, you're smarter than that. This Steeler fan comparison was just a lame cop-out to try and get a rise. You seem like a 'last word' kind of guy.

@choco said:

You could have said john fox and you wouldn't get laughed at.....I work in NY as well, and your media is a xxxxing joke...yes, that includes you.

Gruden.....lmao.

"lmao", this doesn't even warrant a proper response.

Please post with maturity next time. Insulting anonymously is rather cowardice. I'm up for a debate, but calling people 'idiots' and 'a joke' without any real reasoning is waste of a post.

@unsympathetic said:

2) Show me proof Gruden is willing to take the Cleveland job. All I've seen is proof that he won't. It's very entertaining to speculate.. but you conveniently choose to avoid considering that Gruden will turn down any amount of money for the job.

What about what Gruden built with the Raiders? He did what Dungey couldn't do with that McKay built Bucs team. Dungey is SO overrated the Colts won the SB because of Manning not Dungey. Peyton's ferocious competitiveness overrode Dungeys take a dive mentality.

@unsympathetic said:

2) Show me proof Gruden is willing to take the Cleveland job. All I've seen is proof that he won't. It's very entertaining to speculate.. but you conveniently choose to avoid considering that Gruden will turn down any amount of money for the job.

Are you directing these questions to me or the OP?

1. LOL @ the last sentence. Hyperbole-much? He's not a 'cancer', otherwise many owners wouldn't want him to lead their franchise. 'Conveniently' choose? I never thought i had to go into this because it's neither here nor there, but Gruden didn't just inherit a superbowl team. I hope you're kidding. He was great for the Bucs, but had a hard picking the right QB. Moreover, he was great with the raiders.

2. I'm sure this is ALL speculation on everyone's part. Mangini is STILL the head coach and for now, i'm fine with that. Where is this 'proof' you have? And yes, it's entertaining to speculate, but at the end of the day, it's really all a matter of heresay rather than empirical evidence.

@earl34 said:

I agree, he's a biased journalist, never been a fan. Everythings a mere soundbyte to him and I question his ability to report anything with credibility. Too vindictive for my taste.

However, I'm sure you understand he doesn't represent the NY media.

@44calexpress said:

The media doesn't 'hate' him. I listen to just about every sports show in Manhattan and i'd say it's about 50/50. But thats neither here nor there, we're not talking about Mangini in NY, we're talking about Mangini in Cleveland. you continually bring up coaches of the past and other situations that happen, but the fact of the matter is, this team is underperforming. Do you honestly believe that Mangini is what's best for this team? If so, then there's no point in debating this forward.

It's not all too hard to understand.

Really? Adam Schein who works in NY and has a NY TV Show (Loudmouths) and is on NFL Radio (with a large listening audience) said on the Thursday preceding Eric Mangini's first game in Cleveland last year: "I hate Eric Mangini and Eric Mangini hates me.". He's picked against the Browns ever since (which is his prerogative) but he has also refused to listen to any caller wanting to point out any successes. He is a biased journalist who, aside from the above quote, is NOT willing to disclose his biases when he ranks on the Browns or Eric Mangini. As a matter of fact, Joe Benigno and Schein were bitching about Mangini as the coach when he was 8-3 in 2008 so I don't want to hear that the NY media is unbiased. They ran Willie Randolph and Joe Torre out of town when they wanted to and it's the same with every coach except Coughlin who happened into a massive win-streak when they were stirring the pot against him.

2) Show me proof Gruden is willing to take the Cleveland job. All I've seen is proof that he won't. It's very entertaining to speculate.. but you conveniently choose to avoid considering that Gruden will turn down any amount of money for the job.

You could have said john fox and you wouldn't get laughed at.....I work in NY as well, and your media is a xxxxing joke...yes, that includes you.

Gruden.....lmao.

@44calexpress said:

Big difference between living in Manhattan (me) and having FAMILY (not you) living in New Jersey. Fact of the matter is, it isn't New York. And living among these media monsters you so claim, I clearly know more about the in and outs of my own city than someone who doesn't even live here, and for all I know, in this state. I'm not inept of my environment as you choose to believe. It's 50/50, not 100% 'Mangini hate'.

Plain and simple, if you continually fail your job (which is to win), you get need to get fired. It happened to great coaches, and it's going to continue to happen. Your love for Mangini isn't going to distill this notion.

And message boards are for discussion. Yes, they leave room for arguements and debates, but when the same points are continually brought up and trivial facts are risen, it does not warrant a response. Hence, 'message board' where one so aptly chooses to answer. It has nothing to do with one's ability to, lol 'handle it'. Beating a dead horse only leaves one dumber than they came in.

Well that explains a ton. its a lot like how these steeler fans are trying to defend the actions of there players. They are so wrapped up in it emotionally that they can't actually see whats going on. They are blind to the truth so to speak.

You live in new york. You dislike Eric Mangini despite having any real reason for it. The game of football is ultimately wins and losses yes, but there is so much more that goes into it. It would be like reading just the synopsis of a book and a good amount of the time you cannot do that.

I hope to have many more arguments with you about this team. Its good to have a foil.

good night.