@dawgtracker said:

I think if somehow he were to play well and beat NE that would make him 2-1 against three good teams. It would be hard to argue that he doesn't give you the best chance to win if that were the case.

@longhorn said:

I doubt Colt is really interested in being a career backup. He's not the type to create drama, of course, but I believe Holmgren would try to find another team where he could get in the mix for the starting job instead of giving him a long term #2 spot.

Now that he's playing I suspect you will see him start 4-5 games so Holmgren, etc. can take a good look at him. If he improves and the team keeps winning, he will likely stay the starter and don't be surprised if Jake's ankle stays hurt.

I am a big time Texas/Colt McCoy fan but I think there are two ways to look at this.

#1--Colt is the future starting QB. If this is true, play him and get him all the playing time you can.

#2--Colt is the future backup QB. If this is true, play him as much as you can to get him experienced for next year.

I don't know what the Browns front office thinking is. My guess is they'd love to check off the futrue QB with staff already on hand and then move on with other critical needs.

I also know this. If the Browns coaching staff can ink out more wins with the folks they have, they prove they are the right folks for the jobs they hold. If that can also be checked off the list, that is a huge accomplishment this season from the Homgren perspective.

What if......

Browns end up with a winning season or near it.

McCoy plays well for the rest of the year.

For the rest of the year, coaches prepare well for games, don't lose games they should win, and win games they are expected to lose.

Wow, what a good place to be at the end of the year for the Browns franchise. This is how franchises are built and Holmgren has done it before. Just saying.....

Seneca Wallace was brought in to be the "Backup QB", right? Then let him continue in that role that he was hired for, whether he is "backing up" "The Man" or "The Son of Fire". If whichever one of them that starts falters, then he is there to do his job as the backup.

Must be colt again. All this experience he's getting is good but he is still a rook and I'd hate see something happen to him because of rookie Mistake but I guess that's part of the game.

Frankly, watching McCoy the last two games, I'm not convinced that Wallace gives us a better chance to win right now, let alone next year. And at 2-5, it's naive to think that "next year" isn't part of every equation. It's not the whole thing... but it's part of it. It's not an either/or.

But I totally agree with Zombo, and said as much when both were signed: At this point, Wallace is a better quarterback than Delhomme. A lot of time has passed since Delhomme was a very good starting quarterback in this league.

But it's a valid question: Is McCoy better for us next year if he starts 11 games? Or just 2? He's shown he won't shit the bed or "be ruined," given that we have great pass protection, a good running game, a nice set of safety blankets (tight ends), a back who can catch, and a defense that doesn't give up a ton of points.

I would say McCoy is a much more valuable starter next season after starting 11 games this season. And I think that's really important because after another draft and another round of free agency, we can compete for a playoff spot IF we get high level QB play all season. Otherwise... not so much.

@ballpeen said:

If we name McCoy and more or less lose out, there is nothing to fall back on and pretty much tells the league in which direction we are looking in the draft.....every Tom, Dick, and Harry who might want a QB will be working to get ahead of us in the draft if they already aren't.

According to many experts the best quarterback (Stanzi) will be available after the 4th rd. So no worrys

I think he goes first round though, my expert opinion

If we name McCoy and more or less lose out, there is nothing to fall back on and pretty much tells the league in which direction we are looking in the draft.....every Tom, Dick, and Harry who might want a QB will be working to get ahead of us in the draft if they already aren't.

I am not saying he can't get it done , but if you make the change , you got to ride it out to it's natural conclusion.

Colt needs more experience no doubt, but you don't throw a fairly talented veteran QB with 7 years left to the junk heap.

At this point there is no question Wallace is the better QB.

It's time to get off these goober questions and think logically.

Colt has a future, but he is the 3rd stringer who needs to season a bit. Wallace is seasoned. It's time to look his way and see if he is the guy because he is as ready as he will become.

@earl34 said:

Seneca Wallace did not show me anything physically that McCoy can't do. The only advantage Seneca has over McCoy is the veteran experience factor because McCoy even exhibits great leadership qualities. The question then boils down to that trade off. Are you willing to accept a mentally-tough-but-inexperienced Colt or do you need a seen-it-all-but-not-nearly-the-upside Seneca?

My vote is for Colt but I don't have as much information as I would like.

Overwhelmingly this. (But I think the HC will see it differently).

Shep, I'm curious if your feelings have changed any about my man Ricky Stanzi?

Almost 70% completion percentage, 19 tds, 2 ints, 2000 yrds. Is there a QB out there with better stats? He should be mentioned in the heisman race.

6'4" 230lbs. 3 year starter in a pro style offense, he has everything you look for in a franchise QB. You have to be warming up to him a little?

Seneca Wallace did not show me anything physically that McCoy can't do. The only advantage Seneca has over McCoy is the veteran experience factor because McCoy even exhibits great leadership qualities. The question then boils down to that trade off. Are you willing to accept a mentally-tough-but-inexperienced Colt or do you need a seen-it-all-but-not-nearly-the-upside Seneca?

My vote is for Colt but I don't have as much information as I would like.

Talk about weird, russell is twice as out of shape than mcnabb and 10 times more lazier than haynesworthn..

Thanks to childress and shanahan, mangini looks like a savior.. haha

@bringbackbrownie2 said:

The trade for Kolb would be after the season.

In terms of who to start, I think that unless Holmgren publicly says otherwise, Mangini would have to give a 100% Wallace the start. The reason is that this is the only window of opportunity he has to bench McCoy for a reason other than on field performance. That's a huge opportunity. Right now, there is no QB controversy other than the one manufactured by certain members of the press to essentially generate web traffic. Once you bench a QB for a reason not related to injury, you instantly have a real controversy on your hands.

As for next season's draft, I doubt Holmgren will take a QB early. Locker has been all but exposed as a huge project, Luck won't be around unless we trade up, and Mallett has his own question marks. Also, if the Browns draft a QB in the first round next year, they essentially are saying "Colt McCoy isn't good enough to be our (Cleveland's) starting quarterback." What team would then make him theirs? No, he'd be worth the same as any other backup; substantially less than the third round pick that got him in the organization. Drafting Colt in the third round was basically saying, "we think he could be a starting NFL quarterback; we'll take the risk and find out, otherwise he's a backup." Drafting a new franchise is basically saying, "we took a chance on him, looks like we were wrong." The only potential way to rescue the value is to claim he's not suitable for cold weather games and trade him to a team in the sun belt.

One of three things happens: 1. McCoy starts because Wallace isn't 100%, 2. Wallace starts because he is, or 3. Holmgren announces his plans for working McCoy into the gameplan for this season (and all bets are off at that point).

Seneca isnt as accurate as colt and he often hesitates to long before letting one rip and the window often closes on him and or he overthrows it...

Regardless of who starts we are still better off at QB than we were last year...

@mudratdetector said:

Idk I think its McCoy. The ghost of Gary Coleman was seen the Browns locker room with a gun to Seneca's head saying "Whatcha talkin bout Wallace?"