I don't see there being any other realistic possibility.

@sisky-fringo said:

I only went back and looked at the passes that the NFL defined as deep in the play by play and they cut it off at 20. Regardless, these aren't "4 yard passes" as CL implied.

@cantonlegend said:

and when you are looking at the stats at the end of the game, you can say colt has been more efficient......but when you turn on the games you pickup on little things like the gameplan that is based around short passes and high percentage passes

colt doesnt throw the ball deep very much, and when he does its usually incomplete.....what colt does is throw the ball short......he completes 4 yard passes once or twice every series and the occassional 3rd down pass to keep drives alive

Oh yeah?

Here's the stats for the season:

Seneca 16 of 98 passes were over 20 yards. That's 16.33% of all of his throws. Colt has thrown deep on 15 of 68 passes (22%). You can't say that Colt doesn't throw deep much. He throws more deep balls than Seneca has.

Of Seneca's 16 deep throws, he completed 5 (31.25%). Colt, meanwhile, has completed 8 of 15 throws (53.33%). You cannot, therefore say that "it's usually incomplete".

Yes, I DID GO BACK AND WATCH ALL of those deep throws. Seneca has struggled with the boundary throw. Colt has dropped a few in for completions.

@cantonlegend said:

are you saying that the offensive line is less important than another position? your answer will probably tell me how much you know about football

i am just disagreeing with you.....that doesnt mean i dont know football. it just means i have a different view point

The O-line is one of the most important part on a team. But the QB's role is effected much more by the play of one person. And when you lose, you get the blame. We have the luxery of letting our rookie QB get in game exp, knowing that we have two decent QB's that can come in if things start to go south - and things have gone well so far. I dont see the logic behind pulling him. We drafted him to become the long term fix at the revolving door that is Browns QB - am I saying he is the answer? No, we dont know yet. but to pull him when things are going well and he has his best oppurtunity to flourish doesnt make sense to me. But you have your right to that opinion.

@bodogjoe said:

i was not comparing the best left tackle in the league to a backup rookie QB. i was just simply saying that joe thomas' record as a starter isnt very good...but that doesnt mean he isnt very good. he is only one player on the team and his impact, while a huge factor, is miniscule in the overall outcome of the game......just like colts impact. he is helpin to win the games....but he, himself, is not winning those games

are you saying that the offensive line is less important than another position? your answer will probably tell me how much you know about football

i am just disagreeing with you.....that doesnt mean i dont know football. it just means i have a different view point

@cantonlegend said:

Well, you are comparing a linemans role to a QB's role for one. And anyone that has played organized football knows how important the chemistry of the team is . Things are starting to gel, and on top of that you have a chance to prepare your next possible starter. And you say we should not do that - THAT is why you dont know football.

One thing that Colt has not yet delivered is a deep ball from the pocket. He's thrown deep on the run really well, but not from behind the offensive line during the initial stages of the play. There have been a few attempts, but none of them have really been on target enough for a completion.

@sisky-fringo said:

some Colt homerism combined with an innate Brownie desire to play with the new shiny toy=CL having absolutely no chance in this thread, regardless of having some salient points. but that's just like, my opinion, man.

Its not homerism. I am not saying hes gonna be Joe Montana, or even win the next game. But you have a rookie QB, with alot of pressue on him come into games and do relatively well - while winning . He is maturing and gaining good exp, and has the potential to be a great QB. Also, players will rally around a QB. So you are saying, lets mess with the good chemistry we have had over the last few games and toss in the band-aids we traded for. So please explain the logic on pulling him out.

@bodogjoe said:

instead of trying to prove that your dick is bigger than mine.....why dont you explain to me why i dont know football or how the browns wins have anything to do with the starting QB?

@colt45forever said:

some Colt homerism combined with an innate Brownie desire to play with the new shiny toy=CL having absolutely no chance in this thread, regardless of having some salient points. but that's just like, my opinion, man.

@cantonlegend said:

penalties on a QB? when? what penalties did jake or seneca get?

and the only stat that matters is wins.......colt has 2 wins as a starter.....the browns are a team tho. you can say that colt won those games, but then id know for sure that you werent watching. you can say that colt has played better, but then id really know you werent watching.

the browns won 2 games as a team when colt was the starter......THEY DIDNT WIN BECAUSE OF COLT MCCOY

im not sure i can say it any clearer than that

Wow, you really dont know anything about football. I didnt say throw the numbers out - But this isnt fantasy football. "All he has had is two wins in his first three games" Please stick to fantasy football, you obviously have completely missed the point of real football.

@bodogjoe said:

you are going to throw the numbers out? then what are you going to judge colt on? because if you are looking at the intangibles like arm strength, decision making, and experience then you have to go with the other 2

penalties on a QB? when? what penalties did jake or seneca get?

and the only stat that matters is wins.......colt has 2 wins as a starter.....the browns are a team tho. you can say that colt won those games, but then id know for sure that you werent watching. you can say that colt has played better, but then id really know you werent watching.

the browns won 2 games as a team when colt was the starter......THEY DIDNT WIN BECAUSE OF COLT MCCOY

im not sure i can say it any clearer than that

@beefjerky said:

colt hasnt made less mistakes than seneca.....he hasnt been more successful than seneca either

and when you are looking at the stats at the end of the game, you can say colt has been more efficient......but when you turn on the games you pickup on little things like the gameplan that is based around short passes and high percentage passes

colt doesnt throw the ball deep very much, and when he does its usually incomplete.....what colt does is throw the ball short......he completes 4 yard passes once or twice every series and the occassional 3rd down pass to keep drives alive

@cantonlegend said:

he has only thrown for 530 yards

the only thing he has done is started when the browns won the game

jake also has 1 INT but has played against superior defenses and has had to throw the ball more in his games

seneca has nearly 700 yards passing with 4 TDs and 2 INTs

if you ask me who the best QB is by looking at those numbers, id say seneca by a landslide

he isnt a career 3rd stringer.....hes backed up one of the most consistant QBs in the NFL for the past several years and come in and performed well when hasselback goes down

You cannot pick a QB based on the numbers. You have to take into account the intangibles. Like knowing when to throw the ball away rather then throwing into triple coverage. He has not commited big turnover or penaltys WHEN IT COUNTS. So he HAS done a far better job. Look at people like Brett Favre. He can throw for 500 yards, but lose the game throwing costly int's when it counts. Oh, and the most important stat - WINS.

And like I said before, you cant determine if he is going to start the rest of the season. Gotta go game to game.

@colt45forever said:

Long and short, Colt is 2-1 as a starter. Seneca and Jake were a combined 1-4. End of story.

Colt makes amazing plays with his feet. He extends drives.

and joe thomas is the best tackle in the league.....whats his overall career record? i bet its pretty terrible

you are crediting colt for a team win a discrediting jake and seneca for team losses......thats cool tho

it shows that there are people dumber than me

@colt45forever said:

howd colt do against the steelers there champ?

the pats defense is bottom 3rd in the league

the falcons and buccs have 2 of the better pass defenses in the league

@cantonlegend said:

he has only thrown for 530 yards

the only thing he has done is started when the browns won the game

jake also has 1 INT but has played against superior defenses and has had to throw the ball more in his games

seneca has nearly 700 yards passing with 4 TDs and 2 INTs

if you ask me who the best QB is by looking at those numbers, id say seneca by a landslide

he isnt a career 3rd stringer.....hes backed up one of the most consistant QBs in the NFL for the past several years and come in and performed well when hasselback goes down

The flaw with your stats is that you're going off of total numbers instead of efficiency, Colt is more efficient than both Delhomme and Senaca. You can just tell from watching Colt that he makes less mistakes too.

I would love to keep Senaca as a backup, but if he's not happy with that, give him kind regards and trade him to the Cowboys, Cardinals, Panthers, anyone who needs a QB(for the Cowboys it's only until Romo gets healthy). I think he can succeed as a solid average QB, hard to believe Seattle favored Whitehurst over Senaca.

@cantonlegend said:

he has only thrown for 530 yards

the only thing he has done is started when the browns won the game

jake also has 1 INT but has played against superior defenses and has had to throw the ball more in his games

seneca has nearly 700 yards passing with 4 TDs and 2 INTs

if you ask me who the best QB is by looking at those numbers, id say seneca by a landslide

he isnt a career 3rd stringer.....hes backed up one of the most consistant QBs in the NFL for the past several years and come in and performed well when hasselback goes down

Jake played against superior defenses? Better than the Steelers? Better than the Patriots?

Long and short, Colt is 2-1 as a starter. Seneca and Jake were a combined 1-4. End of story.

Colt makes amazing plays with his feet. He extends drives.

@bodogjoe said:

@bodogjoe said:

he hasnt done far far better than jake or seneca......he has 1 TD and 2 INTs in 3 games

he has only thrown for 530 yards

the only thing he has done is started when the browns won the game

jake also has 1 INT but has played against superior defenses and has had to throw the ball more in his games

seneca has nearly 700 yards passing with 4 TDs and 2 INTs

if you ask me who the best QB is by looking at those numbers, id say seneca by a landslide

he isnt a career 3rd stringer.....hes backed up one of the most consistant QBs in the NFL for the past several years and come in and performed well when hasselback goes down

@sisky-fringo said:

re: the game, loved what Colt showed us again.

re: starting the rest of the season, i feel when it's time to commit to Colt, we commit to Colt all the way. the team is playing awesome around him and if the Coaches, FO, etc feel the rookie gives the Browns the best chance to win, i'm behind it all the way. and that means through the good and the bad.

some on here have posted that they feel after the other 2 QBs return from injury Colt should be the guy for the rest of the season...unless he starts playing poorly, making mistakes, or however you want to word it. then and only then you bench him, if i understand them correctly. well that's where i differ. imo don't make him "the guy" until you're sure, and you stick with him through it all, coaching him up the whole way.

that's where i'm coming from when i cast my JD and SW votes fwiw.

agreed.....you dont just start him until he screws up then bench him

thats not the continuity the browns need. they need a guy who can lead them to victory when the game is on the line and colt isnt ready for that IMO. seneca and jake are better prepared for those situations and if the gameplan remains the same with either of them at QB then the browns should continue to win games

but "riding the hot hand" is something you do with a running back or WR. you dont do that with a QB. they are too important to an offense and if and when jake and seneca get back, they should start on the simple basis that they are better and more experienced as of now