@miktoxic said:

Ahhhh

I missed the reference.

Cheerio!!!

WSS

@shepwrite said:

Another variable might be Gruden's availability. I have a feeling Holmgren would like to make a splash with his coach AND make it someone he knows... and Gruden is that and some. He'll be another poster child for Cleveland, right alongside McCoy and Hillis, and this team starts taking on a personality fans can latch onto.

Then look for WCO OCs with a connection to one, the other, or both.

Shep you ought to know other than Pluto, the PD beat writers have a vendetta going against Mangini (cut off their inside leaks). I can't stand reading the garbage in the blogs after the articles, because from the sentiment you get there 1\2 the town is ready to ride Mangini out of town on a rail.

@westside-steve said:

Perhaps I've pissed you off in some way?

WSS

no not at all. sorry if i insulted you. was up too late for way too long. thought that was the funniest line of the 'grinch song'. and just put it out there..........booze=judgement bad.

@shepwrite said:

Is that great progress over 5-11? Is it really? I'd say Tampa Bay and Kansas City, both at 8-5, have shown more progress. The Rams, too.

If Holmgren deep down wants to go with his systems on both sides of the ball, he has his opening. It's his call. Certainly we haven't done anything on offense to make us get psyched for more Daboll. That's a given. And McCoy is destined to be a WCO QB... and you can ask the Walrus himself and he'll tell you. Already did, in fact.

So do you tell Mangini he can stay if he essentially releases control of the offense? A lot of coaches would say no to that. So we'll see.

I think you echoed my words as to where Holmgren is coming ..........I'll give me credit for being way more esoteric

Another variable might be Gruden's availability. I have a feeling Holmgren would like to make a splash with his coach AND make it someone he knows... and Gruden is that and some. He'll be another poster child for Cleveland, right alongside McCoy and Hillis, and this team starts taking on a personality fans can latch onto.

Then look for WCO OCs with a connection to one, the other, or both.

Zombo said:

Zombo

It was pathetic to watch Jake out there yesterday. He's suffering from the same problem Kosar did in his last couple of years- he's so immobile teams bet they can sack him before he even throws a dump-off pass.

Wallace is obviously healthy- that one WildDawg play says so. No idea why they stuck with Jake in that game- and it's not a one game aberration- Jake's looked horrible in every game he's played in- like Derek Anderson bad.

@miktoxic said:

The three words that best describe you are as follows, and I quote,

"Stink, stank, stunk"!

Am I missing a joke or was that just a garden variety insult?

Perhaps I've pissed you off in some way?

WSS

@wrrebel said:

The difference is, if gruden was on the sideline he wouldn't have that eric mangini dazed looked on his face when he is losing.

The fact of the matter is mangini has one foot out the door and his head up his ass. I personally feel bad for mangini, very good guy..

I really would have liked to see him suceed here. I'm sure he will land some where, u always need ball boys.

all I want for christmas is jon gruden

Gruden had plenty of "dazed" looks on his face:

In fact, he seems to have had a lot of Carl Spackler in him:

The passing game is just awful and the decision to start Delhomme and keep him in was worse than the decision to sign him, which was unbelievably bad. But the biggest issue is that Mangini was on a one-year tryout for a guy who'd naturally prefer to base his success on his own people and his own systems. Who wouldn't?

@brownskidd said:

There are teams that have made huge strides since last year. KC, Tampa, Oakland, St. Louis... We have shown signs of having a decent caliber team who can compete... But yesterday, we started with a pounding drive.. got to the goal line and 3 plays up the middle later, we kick a field goal.. and after that.. it's like we gave up. Delhomme was aweful.. 3 down attempts are putrid to watch...

I can't imagine why EM would be accepting of Daboll's play calling fromt the game yesterday, and if he is, my faith in Magini is waiving..

let's all agree and say daboll sucks....delhomme too. BUT we were playing a team that has alot of heart and wasn't going to just lay down for us. yes some of those teams have made strides as you mentioned but let's see if it's more than just the first year illusion.

There are teams that have made huge strides since last year. KC, Tampa, Oakland, St. Louis... We have shown signs of having a decent caliber team who can compete... But yesterday, we started with a pounding drive.. got to the goal line and 3 plays up the middle later, we kick a field goal.. and after that.. it's like we gave up. Delhomme was aweful.. 3 down attempts are putrid to watch...

I can't imagine why EM would be accepting of Daboll's play calling fromt the game yesterday, and if he is, my faith in Magini is waiving..

The three words that best describe you are as follows, and I quote,

"Stink, stank, stunk"!

And as much as we'd all like to see Colt do well remember that Hillis was setting the world on fire at that time.

When the defenses learned that was going to be the whole game plan he's been slowed down.

Like kicking away frrom Cribbs.

Don't forget last year we were on a streak with Harrison.

Where's he now?

Not to be a grinch here but I hate to see a guy set up as a savior and then crucified when he doesn't deliver.

(Sorry to go seasonal )

WSS

@mark-o said:

i agree.

But I have to add I don't think we plan to shelf Colt the rest of the season. I think he will play when he is ready to play.

I sometimes think too much, and this is probably a case in point, but i will share it anyway.

Maybe the thought in sticking with Jake is we want Colt back before we really play Wallace.

Say Wallace starts playing great. What does that do to the whole QB situation heading in to next season??

I really think the Browns want to have that settled this year....and so far, Colt's play has settled that to the largest degree....be it only 3-4 games of action.

@miktoxic said:

Haha too funny

@wrrebel said:

all I want for christmas is jon gruden

in the industry ball boys are called 'fluffers'.......just so you know.

@d-bone said:

You have no idea..

The difference is, if gruden was on the sideline he wouldn't have that eric mangini dazed looked on his face when he is losing.

The fact of the matter is mangini has one foot out the door and his head up his ass. I personally feel bad for mangini, very good guy..

I really would have liked to see him suceed here. I'm sure he will land some where, u always need ball boys.

all I want for christmas is jon gruden

@wrrebel said:

Monday Night Football must be like a porn video for you, what with that sexy John Gruden talking for 3 hours straight.

@wrrebel said:

Wow, not only do you think that Gruden is the answer, but that he would have more power than Holmgren. Please stop spewing your senseless crap here.

@westside-steve said:

WSS

Agree bad pick. No way gruden would have let him bring him in

WSS

@shepwrite said:

Is that great progress over 5-11? Is it really? I'd say Tampa Bay and Kansas City, both at 8-5, have shown more progress. The Rams, too.

If Holmgren deep down wants to go with his systems on both sides of the ball, he has his opening. It's his call. Certainly we haven't done anything on offense to make us get psyched for more Daboll. That's a given. And McCoy is destined to be a WCO QB... and you can ask the Walrus himself and he'll tell you. Already did, in fact.

So do you tell Mangini he can stay if he essentially releases control of the offense? A lot of coaches would say no to that. So we'll see.

See I think mangini is an idiot savant, it all goes back to week 4 after the bengals game when he gave the game ball to his son.. The rest i agree with!