@calfoxwc said:

thinking he had the safety there on that play. It was a mistake in the secondary.

He caught a few other passes, but a first round draft pick should show more of a dominant presence on the field. Compare Blackmon's

stats with Julio Jones and Green the next bowl games - Georgia and Alabama, I think, are their teams...

I've seen Robieskie make a far better case in games at OSU than Blackmon did in his bowl game.

Could just be me, though... @@

Even if you don't want to count that one catch he still had an impressive TD catch afterwards where he dove for the ball out of bounds and still managed to get his feet down. I'm not saying we should take him I'm just saying that he is good and I wouldn't be mad if we did.

thinking he had the safety there on that play. It was a mistake in the secondary.

He caught a few other passes, but a first round draft pick should show more of a dominant presence on the field. Compare Blackmon's

stats with Julio Jones and Green the next bowl games - Georgia and Alabama, I think, are their teams...

I've seen Robieskie make a far better case in games at OSU than Blackmon did in his bowl game.

Could just be me, though... @@

Can you believe uconn lost?

Hillis-iz-Boss said:

First of all my first post was a joke, buit I would love the Browns to get lucky and get Luck...(Thats funny how that came out)

second- Mendenhall is better than Hillis. Sorry I love Hillis, but Mendenhall in Clevelands system would be a monster. Pitt with Big Ben likes to pass.....

@rich4eagle said:

He's better than your Mendenhall and a top 10 RB in the NFL and will only be better with some depth behind him. Seriously I don't see the Steelers trying to draft the next big start RB and the Browns Hillis is currently better than the Steelers number one and behind him is a guy who was expected to come straight in as the #1 back and a guy who lead 3 rushers on last years winning super bowl team.

Hillis-iz-Boss said:

I agree, I was just clarifying that if they want a different QB, they're going to be careful about how to handle Colt because they don't want his value to tank.

Hillis-iz-Boss said:

On that play, the Cb on that play thought he had Safety help.

Hillis-iz-Boss said:

Hardesty hasn't been injured two years in a row. Granted he has been injured something like 4 out of the past 5 years, but last year he was healthy the whole season. I also wouldn't be surprised if we resigned Bell to a one/two year deal and then we draft a RB in the late rounds.

So you are counting on one them to be a superstar RB...........because Hillis is not a superstar RB

@tshirtfan said:

It's funny how the perception of a kid can change after one game, good or bad. I saw a poll online asking which team wishes they drafted Tebow. One of the selections was Cleveland. The article actually suggested that Cleveland draft him at #7 instead of Joe Haden. All because he performed adequately against the worst pass defense in the NFL.

You can expect the front office at Cleveland to take a more long term approach to Colt's future. Make no mistake, Colt has won over Holmgren and Mangini both; they'll want him to succeed wherever it is, even if that isn't Cleveland. You can tell they like the kid and want him to succeed.

Ya and their not going to trade him. One bad game isn't enough to ship out a guy who has to this point shown nothing but good things.

It's funny how the perception of a kid can change after one game, good or bad. I saw a poll online asking which team wishes they drafted Tebow. One of the selections was Cleveland. The article actually suggested that Cleveland draft him at #7 instead of Joe Haden. All because he performed adequately against the worst pass defense in the NFL.

You can expect the front office at Cleveland to take a more long term approach to Colt's future. Make no mistake, Colt has won over Holmgren and Mangini both; they'll want him to succeed wherever it is, even if that isn't Cleveland. You can tell they like the kid and want him to succeed.

1. Carolina

2 -4 Buffalo, Cinci, Denver each at 4-11

And tied at 5-10 are Arizona, San Fran, Detroit, Dallas, Houston, and the Browns.

The bad thing is that where there is a tie, the draft order is decided by strength of schedule, i.e. the team having played the weaker schedule gets the higher slot....

Which puts the Browns at the very end, because the Browns have by far played the hardest schedule in the entire NFL,

So that would put them at getting the #10 pick

If they were to win Sunday they would drop even lower. There are 4 teams with 6-9 records.

Nevertheless, I agree with those that say go for front 7 DL. Yes, there offense is one of the worst going, but they are also 26th against the rush. That has to improve.

@tampadawgs said:

Trade Cribbs and our next two years 3rd round picks to move up to take Andrew Luck, then trade nexst yrs 1st to move back tin the fisrt round to take Blackman, then in the second round we take the best Defensive Player. Then trade Rogers for our two 3rd round picks back and take the best Running Back. Then trade Colt for a late 3rd and take Clay Matthews

out of all that we would only lose next yrs first...

Looks good to me....

Then we would have

QB-Luck

RB-Hillis, Hardesty, and BRA

WR-Blackman, Robo, MoMass, And a VET

TE-Watson

I LIKE IT....

You're kidding, right? And your linebackers and DL (sorely deficient) would be WHO? Rubin, Roth, Fujita (who will be 32 next year) and the Three Stooges? That BPA in the second round? Which we won't have, BTW.

1) The way McCoy has looked we're not giving up the ranch to draft Luck. 2) Carolina has looked so crappy at qb, there is no way in hell they'll pass on Luck assuming he declares. It would take a Ditka Doofus maneuver to pry him away. You won't get two third rounders for Rodgers either, not even close. You might get a fourth for him. The Browns are still so talent depleted, we need more picks not less. Green Bay has Aaron Rodgers, they have no need for McCoy. To get Matthews from the Pack you'd probably need to give up Hillis AND picks- high ones- (actually Matthews is what you would call an "untouchable".

In the real world, not draft fantasy to pull off your scenario, the Browns are minus Hillis and Cribbs, plus Matthews, and no picks higher than the fourth round for 2011 and 2012. I don't like it- and that's a best case scenario.

Trade Cribbs and our next two years 3rd round picks to move up to take Andrew Luck, then trade nexst yrs 1st to move back tin the fisrt round to take Blackman, then in the second round we take the best Defensive Player. Then trade Rogers for our two 3rd round picks back and take the best Running Back. Then trade Colt for a late 3rd and take Clay Matthews

out of all that we would only lose next yrs first...

Looks good to me....

Then we would have

QB-Luck

RB-Hillis, Hardesty, and BRA

WR-Blackman, Robo, MoMass, And a VET

TE-Watson

I LIKE IT....

Hillis-iz-Boss said:

Hardesty hasn't been injured two years in a row. Granted he has been injured something like 4 out of the past 5 years, but last year he was healthy the whole season. I also wouldn't be surprised if we resigned Bell to a one/two year deal and then we draft a RB in the late rounds.

Sorry didnt know i was being montored by someone who cares whether or not i cap my words or space my sentences, just posting on how i felt heres a period.....

@nw220 said:

It's called a xxxxing period, learn how to use them.

@rich4eagle said:

OFFENSE OFFENSE AND MORE OFFENSE

Great thread so far

We have none and McCoy needs some tools and Offense wins Championships

I like the Green and Jones thinking. I would also look for a RB because Hardesty has been injured two years in row and we have nothing behind Hillis and his running style makes me think his production will never get any better than this year.

Offense Skill players round 1 and 2 and maybe 3.

If we are staying 3-4 a LB is imperative in round 3 or 4

Hardesty hasn't been injured two years in a row. Granted he has been injured something like 4 out of the past 5 years, but last year he was healthy the whole season. I also wouldn't be surprised if we resigned Bell to a one/two year deal and then we draft a RB in the late rounds.

Great thread so far

We have none and McCoy needs some tools and Offense wins Championships

I like the Green and Jones thinking. I would also look for a RB because Hardesty has been injured two years in row and we have nothing behind Hillis and his running style makes me think his production will never get any better than this year.

Offense Skill players round 1 and 2 and maybe 3.

If we are staying 3-4 a LB is imperative in round 3 or 4

1.B Von Miller

Might be a little high for Miller, but the guy can get after the QB...

@nw220 said:

Yah, I bet Green will be gone. I would pick the first large durable looking (two games each against Pgh and Balt defenses yearly) WR. That would be Julio Jones, 6'4" and 211.

Second round, DL good against the run. don't know who.

We have missed Robaire a lot and when you miss a 34 year old defensive lineman that is a bad sign. This is supposed to be a deep draft for defensive linemen. My dream draft would be to start with a good free agent receiver then add two defensive linemen and a right tackle in the first three rounds. Yeah we need another linebacker and if there is someone with better value than the next available dl it would be fine with me.

After that I would look to add DB, RB, QB, OL best value picks. Holmgren always takes a qb

@clevelandmilidh said:

Rogers and Coleman will be 32 next year, Smith will be 34 and has been on IR all year. That leaves Rubin and who? The oldest receiver on the team is Stuckey at 27, D-line is a must right now. Our young WR's have shown there getting better and its only their 2nd year. This team is being built to win long term. The long term receiver situation looks promising, long term d-line situation looks retired. My money says were drafting D-line 1st rd.

That makes some sense..after Green, I don't think any receiver is top 10 material.

At this point i haven't really focused on who we might pick....i usually wait until people have to declare so I am not talking about people who won't even be available at any pick.

We also have to know who will be coaching, as that impacts matters.

I do know Heckert has done a nice job in previous drafts, and seems to understand line play is pretty important.

I wouldn't be shocked, or disappointed for that matter, if we selected a O or D lineman.....if not QB, but that is another debate.

My feeling is QB's do more for receivers then do receivers for QB's....and QB's can't do much if the line is porous.....a big monster at RT would do wonders for our O, but at this point I don't know if anybody is good enough for that high a pick.

In the end, with a building team such as us, I am not a needs picker. Take the best football player you can in round 1 and look for need in round 2....after that BPA is the road to building a solid team.

@shepwrite said:

We won't go looking for a #1 WR in round three. That'd be nuts and totally unfair to McCoy. You can take a guy for development there (Taylor Price) or as an additional stretch the field threat (Emmanuel Sanders) or just get lucky (Shipley)... but a team with a gaping hole at #1 WR doesn't go fishing in that pond.

We almost certainly have the worst set of WRs in the entire league. Nobody goes into this draft with a more obvious need at WR than the Browns. We have needs on the front 7, but we also have players (Rubin, Rogers, Coleman, Smith, Schaefering, Fujita, Gocong, Benard, and maybe DQJ). It's not a fully stocked shelf... but it isn't bare, either. I could see the 2nd round and a prime f/a slot going there.

BTW, I really don't think we'll stop with the high pick at WR. We'll also sign a free agent. We're incredibly weak there.

Rogers and Coleman will be 32 next year, Smith will be 34 and has been on IR all year. That leaves Rubin and who? The oldest receiver on the team is Stuckey at 27, D-line is a must right now. Our young WR's have shown there getting better and its only their 2nd year. This team is being built to win long term. The long term receiver situation looks promising, long term d-line situation looks retired. My money says were drafting D-line 1st rd.