@hoorta said:

You really think they sent Elway to the game to talk to the boy about playing in Denver!? Ya they hired Elway for his connections to Stanford, but they didn't hire him to sway Luck, I'm sure he talked to him but he wasn't his focus. The sent Elway to talk to Jim Harbaugh about coaching the Broncos. Plus why would the Broncos spend their first on a quarterback two years in a row. Even if Tebow ends up being a bust, Orton is still more than capable of leading the team with his 20 touchdowns to 9 INTs.

@wrrebel said:

Not saying anything against colt, but who needs wrs if you have luck?

Uh, the Browns do. For the Browns to trade with Carolina to get Luck, it will cost AT LEAST two #1 picks. With Cluasen sucking it will take more than that. Denver sent John Elway to the game to schmooze the boy, think they're not interested? Arizona picks ahead of the Browns, with big stud DA they're not interested in trading either.

For 2011 draft assuming we are still playing a 3 - 4...

R1 - an impact OLB... Von Miller TAMU, great prospect... Bit high at #6 overall; might be able to trade down and still get him.

R2 - W/R - some quality will still be around, e.g., Blackmon (the other OSU); MoMass will be more productive as a #2

Somewhere along the way need to grab Dane Sanzenbacher... I love this kid

@rr59eagle said:

That's why I said our only chance of getting him would be next year. There is not way in hell we trade anything to move up and take a QB when we have Colt now and need a #1 WR now.

Colt McCoy Swap 1s and give them are second as well still dont think they would pull the trigger..

The only guy they would want off are team is Peyton Hillis and they dont need him,Deangelo Williams was banged up all year and John Stewart is a beast in is own they dont need Hillis

So you put me together a picture of what we could even offer Carolina for there #1 pick i dont see it happening

He'll be in the draft and is a lock for #1.

Hillis-iz-Boss said:

He still needs somebody to throw it to

@ballpeen said:

IMO the only way Luck doesn't go to Carolina is if he doesn't enter the draft.

I agree, the only way that we get luck is if he desides to not commit and comes into the draft next year and colt proves that he's not the guy next season. Then I sww us trading a whole draft in necessary to take luck.

@7moses7 said:

It would be nice, but I just don't see that happening.

IMO the only way Luck doesn't go to Carolina is if he doesn't enter the draft.

@wrrebel said:

Not saying anything against colt, but who needs wrs if you have luck?

Thank you- the Browns tried to trade up last year for Sam Bradford and couldn't,hopefully they will be able to pull it off this year!

@clevelandbigdawg said:

He really did look great. There isn't much not to like about the kid.

All we need is a little luck!

@wrrebel said:

Not saying anything against colt, but who needs wrs if you have luck?

He looked terrific tonight.

Not saying anything against colt, but who needs wrs if you have luck?

@brownandorange said:

Another aspect that contributed to the lottery become formatted in the NHL was throwing games. In 1974, the Capitals inaugural season, they started off terribly and lost almost 30 consecutive games. Once the Caps realized they had no shot at the playoffs, they began playing for draft positioning. Washington finisheD the season with an 8-67-5 record, the worst in NHL history. Guess who got the first pick. Washington.

Pretty interesting, huh?

I didn't know the NHL did a lottery every year. (Dont watch hockey) That is pretty interesting though. What I was refering to was the lottery system they used after the 94-95 lockout how they set up the draft for the following year.

@buckeyedawg said:

Yes, but I'm sure you don't know why the lottery is instituted in the NHL. Back in 1971, the Montreal Canadiens were the top team in the league and had their eye on the top prospect and junior player, Guy Lafleur. The Canadiens knew they could not get the first pick, so they traded one of their top players to the worst team in the league, the Los Angeles Kings, for the Kings' first round pick. Despite acquiring a new talent, the Kings finished last in the league, giving the Canadiens the top draft choice. Guess who they picked. Lafleur.

Another aspect that contributed to the lottery becoming formatted in the NHL was throwing games. In 1974, the Capitals inaugural season, they started off terribly and lost almost 30 consecutive games. Once the Caps realized they had no shot at the playoffs, they began playing for draft positioning. Washington finished the season with an 8-67-5 record, the worst in NHL history. Guess who got the first pick. Washington.

Pretty interesting, huh?

@clevelandfanforlife said:

Correct. Im talking about no season next year what will they do for the 2012 draft.

@buckeyedawg said:

I guess they could do some sort of lottery with the teams with teams with the worst records getting more balls but with every team having a chance to be in any position, and then snake the rest of the draft. I was just reading I guess that is what the NHL did a few years back.

of course, this is only if there stoppage next year right?

@clevelandfanforlife said:

Because the point of the draft ordering is to help the weakest teams become more competitive. If you just switch the order you are going to be giving what is still the "best" teams franchise players. I understand the viewpoint of the better teams, but I can't see them just switching the order. The more I think about it maybe the "fairest" way would be to average the draft positions of the last 5 years and do it that way. Obviously the Browns woulds do well in that system as well.

I guess they could do some sort of lottery with the teams with teams with the worst records getting more balls but with every team having a chance to be in any position, and then snake the rest of the draft. I was just reading I guess that is what the NHL did a few years back.

@brownandorange said:

how exactly is that fair? am i missing something?

@buckeyedawg said:

Or another idea would be to do a snake draft per say but keep the original start so Carolina goes 1 and 65. That might be more fair. I did a quick google search and didnt really come up with anything.

@brownandorange said:

OR, on a completely different note, they could resort to the lottery, similar to the NBA and just determine the draft order that way. Since there was no past season though, each team would get 1 ball so every franchise has the same opportunity.

I just don't think it is i likely they would give the highest picks to the best teams like that. They may do something like average draft position over the last 5 or so years. Who knows.

@buckeyedawg said:

Well, there would have to be 2 drafts. In the 2011 draft you use the original draft order and in the 2012 you completely flip the order and revert to the snake draft.

OR, on a completely different note, they could resort to the lottery, similar to the NBA and just determine the draft order that way. Since there was no past season though, each team would get 1 ball so every franchise has the same opportunity.

@brownandorange said:

I don't know... I think a lot of people would have a problem giving the defending super bowl champions the first overall pick. Im sure it is in the rule book someplace.

@buckeyedawg said:

Me too. I couldn't stand not having the NFL for a year. And yes, we would like to have two 6th overall picks, but what about the Patriots, Falcons, and Saints? They would bitch about getting screwed in the draft and Goodell would have no option but to resort to the snake draft.