@ballpeen said:

One of the questions asked of Holmgren was is there a budget on hiring a new coach.

Holmgren answered....I paraphrase...no, there is no budget. I was told to do whatever I had to do.

I know - that was why I typed it. I didn't spell it out well, but my point was exactly this. There was a lot to complain about until he handed the reigns over to Holmgren. We just have to hope that Lerner's history of hiring people doesn't hold true to the Walrus, which I don't think it will.

@brownindian said:

Also, we are all convinced tht he knows jack squat about football but atleast he seems to be knowledgeable about soccer and hence is able to enjoy it. I dont know how much the Browns are a priority for Randy but one thing is for sure he knows as well as we do that there is not much he can personally do to change the fortunes of this team. It is all in the hands of Holmgren now.

I guess you are saying that if the Browns had played it smart and played for the tie against the Jets, that tie would have been a "moral victory" for the Browns over a perceived superior team?

I guess that's fair.

@the-gipper said:

OK, and I guess a 3-3 game is like an NFL game finishing 57-57.

But, it is still a soccer game. How entertaining can it be. And it was a TIE. WTF?

And no one knew beforehand that the Browns game would be such a bad one. Certainly not Lerner.

And I never said anything about it being a priority..... compared to what else the Browns need.

But, clearly Randy agrees with you: the Browns are no priorty.

It will be like the Browns playing the Falcons, but where soccer differs from football is that ties are very common in football. So when you are an underdog and u still manage to draw with the superior team, you have scored a moral victory. Kinda like last year where the loss to Browns cost the Steelers a playoff spot. Also, while no one knew how bad the game was going to be, the games against the Bills, Bengals and the Ravens were very telling as to what the result would probably be.

Also, we are all convinced tht he knows jack squat about football but atleast he seems to be knowledgeable about soccer and hence is able to enjoy it. I dont know how much the Browns are a priority for Randy but one thing is for sure he knows as well as we do that there is not much he can personally do to change the fortunes of this team. It is all in the hands of Holmgren now.

@brownindian said:

No Offense but with the Browns losing 41 - 9 to their rival - I think there are bigger priorities for us to address than making sure our owner is there for every Browns game.

Is Chelsea vs. Aston Villa one of the biggest rivalries in that league? Or would that just be like the Browns playing a good team, like say, The Atlanta Falcons.

OK, and I guess a 3-3 game is like an NFL game finishing 57-57.

But, it is still a soccer game. How entertaining can it be. And it was a TIE. WTF?

And no one knew beforehand that the Browns game would be such a bad one. Certainly not Lerner.

And I never said anything about it being a priority..... compared to what else the Browns need.

But, clearly Randy agrees with you: the Browns are no priorty.

@squintz said:

He has and is.

One of the questions asked of Holmgren was is there a budget on hiring a new coach.

Holmgren answered....I paraphrase...no, there is no budget. I was told to do whatever I had to do.

it was a meaningless game and a likely blowout

in the end....it was more of a blowout than anyone could have thought. lerner probably didnt want to stress himself out by watching the garbage that was on the field over the weekend

can you blame him.....i didnt want to watch it either

maybe stop complaining about him staying out of the way and be glad hes not trying to run the team

No Offense but with the Browns losing 41 - 9 to their rival - I think there are bigger priorities for us to address than making sure our owner is there for every Browns game.

@riffer-x said:

OK, I give the guy big time credit for that. Most other owners by all means would have whored out the naming rights to the stadium....see, e.g., the Dolan family..

@ballpeen said:

He has to support both.

I don't have a problem with it.

I guess my question is how would it have looked had he been here and not there for a big game???

I trust that when he is required here for a big game, he will.

I don't know who Aston Villa was playing, but they are 5-9-6, so I doubt that game they were playing was all that "big".

But clearly Browns/Steelers, despite the recent results is still one of the biggest rivalries in American sports. The last time I looked RL was still an American.

What it points out though is where his priority lies. Like I said, I am glad he is not trying to run the Browns day to day, but as I also said, him not being here leaves a bitter taste in one's mouth.

@king-ghoolie-lives said:

I happen to believe that culture and attitude has a lot to do with team success, and also,,, when players see lackadaisical behavior above them, it tends to trickle down.

Hey, we have changed everything with no change in results. Maybe LErner needs to get the hell out?

I agree. It seems that some organizations just take on the character of their owner no matter what they do....even if they stay completely out of the mix in running their team. Take William Clay Ford of the Lions. He certainly has never played Jerry Jones. He has hired person after person to run him team, but, no matter what, it has not been successful. Add the names of the Bidwill family to this list, and Donald Sterling, and Daniel Snyder who is snakebit no matter how much money he puts into the Redskins, etc. etc.

Maybe this will change with Holmgren being on board, who knows.

@alendor said:

kind of funny to watch

"You guys". What? Are you Pogo? "I have met the enemy and they is us".

No one wants him running the team. Its just that you would think that he would at least be in attendance at the home game with his team's biggest rival.

I guess we just have to accept the fact that we have a soccer fag for an owner.

He's the owner..not the coach or even the gm. Call me when someone who actually makes decisions about the direction of the team doesn't show up for the game.

@ballpeen said:

He has to support both.

I don't have a problem with it.

I guess my question is how would it have looked had he been here and not there for a big game???

I trust that when he is required here for a big game, he will.

I agree, he has people in place to run things and spends the money. He never sold out the stadium name either.

@the-gipper said:

I have mixed emotions about this: On the one hand I am thinking about what a pussy we have as an owner who has more passion for his soccer fags than he does for the Browns. I am also thinking that his attitude and approach to the Browns is one of the reasons this team has been so unstable......yet again making another coaching change.

On the other hand I am thinking that perhaps it is good that he is out of sight so that he is not here meddling with what Holmgren is trying to do with this team. Still, the Browns owner missing the Browns/Steeler game leaves a damn sour taste in my mouth.

The guy owns two teams.

He has to support both.

I don't have a problem with it.

I guess my question is how would it have looked had he been here and not there for a big game???

I trust that when he is required here for a big game, he will.

@alendor said:

kind of funny to watch

Who is "you guys" and where's the link showing what we said?

kind of funny to watch

@the-gipper said:

G W D L

Home Record 10 4 4 2

Away Record 10 1 2 7

Overall Record 20 5 6 9

5 wins, 6 draws, 9 losses. Not much different than the Browns.

LOL well there aint much of a difference in the 2 teams he owns maybe he should be thinking about that lol

@speedyd900rr said:

Could you imagine the things that would of been said or chanted about him yesterday if he were there?

Probably nothing worse than he is called in Birmingham, England of the team there doesn't fair well, which it hasn't, here is its record:

G W D L

Home Record 10 4 4 2

Away Record 10 1 2 7

Overall Record 20 5 6 9

5 wins, 6 draws, 9 losses. Not much different than the Browns.

Could you imagine the things that would of been said or chanted about him yesterday if he were there?

So who gives a shit?