I will also only say this: Some of these people may be mediocre....and worth replacing if we got someone better....but they also replaced a lot of people that were here last year that were worse.

So, we went from poor to mediocre. Now we need to go from mediocre to good.

@clevelandmilidh said:

Why would you say that? I recall that the WCO uses a fullback to a great extent. Recall Tom Rathman blocking for Roger Craig and catching balls out of the backfield? No, Vickers would be a great fit IMHO!

@alporcini said:

unless Lerner antes up the big big $$$$$$

He will pay Roth what he wants, and what articles are you reading because they must be from last offseason when he was trying to get a contract extension. From what I have heard this year he is committed to the browns.

unless Lerner antes up the big big $$$$$$

Elam came on enough to keep. Roth? Not sure it really works. Might need more athlete. I'd love to get DQJ back. Robaire if he's healthy? Duh. But that's a tough one to come back from (achilles). Kenyon Coleman had a pretty terrific year, so he's a keeper for sure.

I think Gocong, Fujita, Jackson, and Benard should be on the team... but we could sure use a couple new guys to go with them. On the line, I'd love to have Schaefering, Rubin, Coleman, and Smith... but also a couple more athletic guys.

We'll see some turnover, especially with new coaches.

Piscitelli is just as good as Sorensen in special teams and is way better in actual defense. He makes a good back up for Elam and Ward.

Also I don't see us changing from a 3-4 to a 4-3. Doing so will set our defense back back at least two years.

@gips said:

4 Phil Dawson K KEEP

26 Abram Elam SS DUMP

88 Greg Estandia TE DUMP

52 D'Qwell Jackson ILB KEEP - Only if we switch to a 4-3. I dont think he is a 3-4 ILB.

97 Jayme Mitchell DE DUMP

28 Sabby Piscitelli FS DUMP

67 Derreck Robinson DE KEEP

53 Matt Roth OLB/DE KEEP

81 Alex Smith TE DUMP

98 Robaire Smith DE KEEP

27 Nick Sorensen FS DUMP

83 Chansi Stuckey WR DUMP

93 Jason Trusnik ILB DUMP

47 Lawrence Vickers FB KEEP

6 Seneca Wallace QB KEEP

77 Floyd Womack G/T KEEP

21 Eric Wright CB DUMP

68 Billy Yates G DUMP

Why dump Yates? I think he played pretty well when he played, and if nothing else bring him back as a reserve.

Why dump Elam?? Sometimes it takes time for guys to develop, and it definitly looks like he is developng into a good safety. Again if for nothing else we can use him for depth.

I would probably keep Wright too ... granted he struggled, but the dude is young has played well and we are so thin at CB. He isn't a good starter obviously, but he could be a good nickel/dime DB.

From that list I keep Dawson, Elam, Dqwell, Roth, Wright, Vickers, and Yates as long as the price is right. I would also consider bringing Robaire back depending how he recovers, and if we can get him on the cheap for a yr or 2

@squintz said:

Who else would we have to run our 2-yard patterns? Or the 4 yard catch on 3rd and 7?

Or fumble the ball when it matters most. Like say.....in OVERTIME!!!! Dueces Mr. Suckey. (Yes I misspelled his name on purpose)

4 Phil Dawson K KEEP

26 Abram Elam SS DUMP

88 Greg Estandia TE DUMP

52 D'Qwell Jackson ILB KEEP - Only if we switch to a 4-3. I dont think he is a 3-4 ILB.

97 Jayme Mitchell DE DUMP

28 Sabby Piscitelli FS DUMP

67 Derreck Robinson DE KEEP

53 Matt Roth OLB/DE KEEP

81 Alex Smith TE DUMP

98 Robaire Smith DE KEEP

27 Nick Sorensen FS DUMP

83 Chansi Stuckey WR DUMP

93 Jason Trusnik ILB DUMP

47 Lawrence Vickers FB KEEP

6 Seneca Wallace QB KEEP

77 Floyd Womack G/T KEEP

21 Eric Wright CB DUMP

68 Billy Yates G DUMP

@clevelandmilidh said:

he better be back.

@theclevelandsound said:

NOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Who else would we have to run our 2-yard patterns? Or the 4 yard catch on 3rd and 7?

@theclevelandsound said:

22 Mike Bell RB DUMP.......replace with Addai, west coast O will need a scat back to complment Hillis, Hardesty might not be ready to go next year.

4 Phil Dawson K KEEP....Keep

26 Abram Elam SS KEEP

88 Greg Estandia TE DUMP

52 D'Qwell Jackson ILB KEEP

97 Jayme Mitchell DE DUMP

28 Sabby Piscitelli FS DUMP

67 Derreck Robinson DE KEEP

53 Matt Roth OLB/DE KEEP...Keep

81 Alex Smith TE DUMP

98 Robaire Smith DE KEEP

27 Nick Sorensen FS KEEP

83 Chansi Stuckey WR DUMP........Replace with Steve Smith "Giants"

93 Jason Trusnik ILB KEEP

47 Lawrence Vickers FB KEEP........Keep

6 Seneca Wallace QB KEEP.........Keep

77 Floyd Womack G/T KEEP

21 Eric Wright CB DUMP........Keep

68 Billy Yates G KEEP

@bringbackbrownie2 said:

Thats why we draft a rookie RB in the later rounds.

@theclevelandsound said:

22 Mike Bell RB DUMP

4 Phil Dawson K KEEP

26 Abram Elam SS KEEP

88 Greg Estandia TE DUMP

52 D'Qwell Jackson ILB KEEP

97 Jayme Mitchell DE DUMP

28 Sabby Piscitelli FS DUMP

67 Derreck Robinson DE KEEP

53 Matt Roth OLB/DE KEEP

81 Alex Smith TE DUMP

98 Robaire Smith DE KEEP

27 Nick Sorensen FS KEEP

83 Chansi Stuckey WR DUMP

93 Jason Trusnik ILB KEEP

47 Lawrence Vickers FB KEEP

6 Seneca Wallace QB KEEP

77 Floyd Womack G/T KEEP

21 Eric Wright CB DUMP

68 Billy Yates G KEEP

I would keep bell. You never know if Hardesty gets injured again...

4 Phil Dawson K KEEP - If he doesnt retire

26 Abram Elam SS KEEP

88 Greg Estandia TE DUMP

52 D'Qwell Jackson ILB KEEP - Only if we switch to a 4-3. I dont think he is a 3-4 ILB.

97 Jayme Mitchell DE DUMP

28 Sabby Piscitelli FS DUMP

67 Derreck Robinson DE KEEP

53 Matt Roth OLB/DE KEEP

81 Alex Smith TE DUMP

98 Robaire Smith DE KEEP

27 Nick Sorensen FS DUMP

83 Chansi Stuckey WR DUMP

93 Jason Trusnik ILB KEEP

47 Lawrence Vickers FB KEEP

6 Seneca Wallace QB KEEP

77 Floyd Womack G/T KEEP

21 Eric Wright CB KEEP

68 Billy Yates G KEEP

If we're ever gonna compete in this division...we gotta shed guys like Trusnik and Sorensen

I love Jasons blood and guts effort...but the guy runs a 4.3 40...thats 4.3 minutes, you better be able to cover Heath Miller or Ray Rice

or contain the edge,and he can't...sorry bye bye

That would send a message.

Okay... keep Phil. And Roth. Dump the rest.

@theclevelandsound said:

No way! He plays a vital role in our organization