@karddawg said:

Brian Sipe, Earnest Byner....Round 13 choices I believe.

@karddawg said:

And just because you were coached at the position in D III still doesn't mean that you know more than anyone else. Over the years we have seen plenty of late round WR make a name for them selves in the NFL and we have also seen short slow white guys make it in the NFL. Does the name Welker ring any bells. Really to me is seems more like you just flat out either hate Sanzenbacher, or just anyone from Ohio State in general and your opinion matters about as much as all the OSU homers and all the OSU anti homers that post.

@calfoxwc said:

He'd make a great fifth rounder for the Browns, if he really lasts long enough.

He isn't necessarily "slow" though:

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Name: Dane Sanzenbacher

College: Ohio State Number: 12

Height: 5-11 Weight: 182

Position: WR Pos2:

Class/Draft Year: Sr/2011

40 Time: 4.58 40 Low: 4.48 40 High: 4.67

Projected Round: 7 Stock:

Rated number 27 out of 349 WR's 220 / 2602 TOTAL

Irony is the fact that according to this, Sanz has the same 40 time as Freddie Barnes, the BG WR that lead the nation in receptions and yards last year averaging about 130 yard per game and 1 touchdown. Sanz will be drafted on Sunday and retained by what ever team takes him, while Barnes signed as a undrafted FA and was dropped by the Bears after training camp to never be picked up again. The only knock against his play? His forty time.

@karddawg said:

@karddawg said:

Maybe you came up against him in HS and he lit you up like a firecracker on the 4th of July. You did say you played DB at a D.III school. (or was it that girlfriend thing)

Is that the source of your bias. You have made 16 posts on this forum, everyone of them disparaging to Dane Sanzenbacher.

@karddawg said:

I don't think anyone here has claimed that he should be a #1 speed burning WR for the Cleveland Browns.

The Browns in fact were hardly part of the discussion.

The question is whether or not he may make a good #2 or #3 slot type of WR for some NFL team, and whether or not it may be worth it to some NFL team to take him in the lower rounds, the Browns or anyone else.

I believe he would be good for that.

God knows the NFL can use people that can catch the ball.

@karddawg said:

You are seriously stupid if you don't think the drafting of players in the 5th, 6th, 7th rounds isn't important.

You seem to have a personal issue with this guy. Did he f**k your girlfriend or something?

The New England Patriots have the best record in the NFL using WRs that are all essentially clones of Dane Sanzenbacher. Small, quick, surehanded guys that know how to get open, that don't necessarily have track star speed.

@calfoxwc said:

Rated number 27 out of 349 WR's 220 / 2602 TOTAL

they're high. he'll be an undraafted free agent and cut in camp and have a nice little career in arena ball. maybe he'll play in your city.

@the-gipper said:

I will assume those reasons are not any of the following:

A. That he cannot hold onto the football

B. That he has shown an inability to get open in the seams of a zone.

C. That he has not been productive

D. That he does not have a nose for the end zone.

E. That he is not quick enough.

F. That his is not tough enough. (he certainly has shown he will go over the middle)

The only things I guess is that he is not huge at 5'11" and that he does not have burner 4.3 40 time speed.

(But no one would ever draft him to be their up top burner).

So, just what is it?

Personally, I could see picking him up in a 4th round or below.

He's small and slow! Not for an average college player ... but for the nfl! he's an excellent college receiver, but he is in no way shape or form an answer for the cleveland browns at wr. just because you idiots watch a guy on tv you think you are super scouts and you found the next great hope. he'll never be as good as the guys we already have, and that not good.

@atenears said:

Who cares who we nab in the later rounds? When has a 6th or 7th round WR ever made it with the Browns? there is a reason they are still around at the end of the draft, they aren't going to win any football games for ya. every once in a while you unearth a diamond, but believe me, it ain't little snatchenpecker.

Hillis-iz-Boss said:

Playing Div III really don't mean you more than any body who played pee wee to high school.

I'm sure you were a great left tackle, but I have to laugh at you making fun of a private school education. I never said I was some kind of super athlete because I played D3 ball, I was just pointing out to anteater that I was coache at the position and I coached the position ... I know what im talking about.

He'd make a great fifth rounder for the Browns, if he really lasts long enough.

He isn't necessarily "slow" though:

**************************

Name: Dane Sanzenbacher

College: Ohio State Number: 12

Height: 5-11 Weight: 182

Position: WR Pos2:

Class/Draft Year: Sr/2011

40 Time: 4.58 40 Low: 4.48 40 High: 4.67

Projected Round: 7 Stock:

Rated number 27 out of 349 WR's 220 / 2602 TOTAL

@hoorta said:

That was sams fault he should have kicked the field goal

@atenears said:

Ate, I was there in what was to become the Dawg Pound, and the play happened right in front of me- not only should Sipe have thrown the ball away, it was underthrown on top of it. Newsome didn't have a chance.

@dawgtracker said:

Sanzenbacher is faster than CC was....but not as tall.

@feartheroo said:

His biggest TD of his career was a fumble recovery in the endzone when the ball went right too him. So, unless we are planning on fumbling the ball a lot, no thanks.

The corollary to this is that he doesn't suck just because he played for OSU. They have produced many good NFL receivers. And it seems to me that he caught a td pass in that game too. He isn't a number 1 but he can be a good receiver in the NFL. I feel better about him that I did Robo, I was shocked when we picked robo in the 2nd. Maybe Sanzenbacher will have the same problem carter had "All he does is catch touchdowns". And I am not implying that he will be as good as Chris Carter who was a decent OSU receiver

@bob806 said:

I don't care if he played for tOSU, Michigan, USC, Duke....my point was he just makes plays.

Peace!!

I understand that one can question whether a guy that "makes plays" in college will also be able to do so with the NFL.

But then, that is the crapshoot of a draft.

Could Jamarcus Russell make plays in college? Ryan Leaf? How about this list from ESPN in 2008. Top 50 draft busts ever (Russell isn't even on here):

FROM LEAF TO WESTBROOK

1. Ryan Leaf, Chargers (1998)

2. Lawrence Phillips, Rams (1996)

3. Art Schlichter, Colts (1982)

4. Heath Shuler, Redskins (1994)

5. Charles Rogers, Lions (2003)

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6. Keith McCants, Buccaneers (1990)

7. Johnny "Lam" Jones, Jets (1980)

8. Mike Junkin, Browns (1987)

9. Bo Matthews, Chargers (1974)

10. Jerry Tagge, Packers (1972)

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11. Jim Drukenmiller, 49ers (1997)

12. Andre Ware, Lions (1990)

13. Reggie Rogers, Lions (1987)

14. Joe Profit, Falcons (1971)

15. Huey Richardson, Steelers (1991)

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16. Peter Warrick, Bengals (2000)

17. David Klingler, Bengals (1992)

18. Derek Brown, Giants (1992)

19. Tim Couch, Browns (1999)

20. Curtis Enis, Bears (1998)

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21. Steve Niehaus, Seahawks (1976)

22. Blair Thomas, Jets (1990)

23. Kelly Stouffer, Cardinals (1987)

24. Tony Sacca, Cardinals (1992)

25. Tim Worley, Steelers (1989)

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26. Jack Thompson, Bengals (1979)

27. Walt Patulski, Bills (1972)

28. Tony Mandarich, Packers (1989)

29. Todd Blackledge, Chiefs (1983)

30. Aaron Gibson, Lions (1999)

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31. Todd Marinovich, Raiders (1991)

32. Andre Johnson, Redskins (1996)

33. Leeland McElroy, Cardinals (1996)

34. Craig Powell, Browns (1995)

35. Mike Elkins, Chiefs (1999)

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36. Russell Erxleben, Saints (1979)

37. Patrick Bates, Raiders (1993)

38. Dan McGwire, Seahawks (1991)

39. Trezelle Jenkins, Chiefs (1995)

40. Cade McNown, Bears (1999)

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41. Reggie Rembert, Jets (1990)

42. Akili Smith, Bengals (1999)

43. Mike Mamula, Eagles (1995)

44. Jonathan Sullivan, Saints (2003)

45. John Clay, Raiders (1987)

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46. Alex Van Dyke, Jets (1996)

47. Maurice Clarett, Broncos (2005)

48. David LaFleur, Cowboys (1997)

49. Jon Harris, Eagles (1997)

50. Michael Westbrook, Redskins (1995)

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So, I guess you could do worse than taking Sanzenbacher in the 4th round.

These guys have Tim Couch on here, but they are a bunch of idiot lemmings. The Browns have had at least 5-6 worse top draft picks than Couch the last 10-13 years: Courtney Brown, Gerard Warren, William Green, Braylon Edwards, and maybe a couple others.

I don't care if he played for tOSU, Michigan, USC, Duke....my point was he just makes plays.

Peace!!

@kshutchins said:

You want to see a good example of a defender running a route better than the receiver, see the Red-Right-88 video. Ozzie Newsome gets out-played by his defender moreso than Sipe throws a bad pass, IMO.