Who would you have in mind atenears?

@pizzadeliveryguy said:

He took over a 9-7 Dolphin team in which Marino retired, replaced him with the almighty Jay Feidler and went 41-23 the next 4 years.

Look, he isn't a world beater at head coach but he was much better than you are trying to give him credit for. It is funny, as soon as the lame nicknames start appearing in a thread, all rational discussion flies right out the window. Correlation?

BTW, the only consecutive losing season the Bears had for 16 years prior to the end of Wannstache's era, was the first year he took over and the last two seasons he used to destroy that once proud franchise.

Miami reeled off 15 straight winning seasons, until Wannstache lead them out of the gate to a 1-8 mark in his fifth season before quitting on them. Since then they have only tasted small success in 2 of the following 9 years. Point to Miami's demise this past decade, and Wanny's stache hair is all over it.

@pizzadeliveryguy said:

He took over a 9-7 Dolphin team in which Marino retired, replaced him with the almighty Jay Feidler and went 41-23 the next 4 years.

Look, he isn't a world beater at head coach but he was much better than you are trying to give him credit for. It is funny, as soon as the lame nicknames start appearing in a thread, all rational discussion flies right out the window. Correlation?

He is not being hired as the Head Coach, remember? Where is the Defensive Coordinator support you want us to hang on?

I believe the name calling is the only thing that is new in this thread. When one side of the argument went hollow with "He had no success at Head Coach, so that must mean he will be great as a DC", the discussion kind of went soft.

Are you going to debate that he hasn't lost his players at every head coaching stop since being a coordinator twenty years ago? Please tell us what makes him such a great coordinator. I've asked this repeatidly, and you keep ignoring the question.

I think Wannstache should own a pizza joint, his stache would look great as a cartoon logo on a pizza box. Why do you think he will make a GREAT coordiantor?

@atenears said:

5-11 is flirting with the playoffs? That is what the Bears were the year before he took over.

He took over a 9-7 Dolphin team in which Marino retired, replaced him with the almighty Jay Feidler and went 41-23 the next 4 years.

Look, he isn't a world beater at head coach but he was much better than you are trying to give him credit for. It is funny, as soon as the lame nicknames start appearing in a thread, all rational discussion flies right out the window. Correlation?

@miktoxic said:

By all indications Mangini left on fairly good terms with Holmgren.

Somebody may actually get Charlie Weis/Romeo Crennel Part Deux if they hire Josh McDaniels as OC and Mangini as DC.

@king-ghoolie-lives said:

Stan, if he gets hired, I will throw bottles at him.

His porn name is, Wannstache.

As for Dave's recruiting, to me if you can't put a winning product on the field, you can't convince me the guys an excellent recruiter. They only have 17 hours a week to game plan in college, so it boils down to talent moreso than to scheme. I think there have been 3 or 4 drafts over the past decade where ESPN praised Cleveland for their astute drafting...well you can see how that turned out for the most part.

Unless we are looking to bring in someone who is currently with the Bears, Packers, Steelers, or Jets, I am getting the feeling people are telling us they aren't interested.

Pretty soon we will be checking out other teams quality control coaches for the position.

@atenears said:

The guy was an offensive lineman when he played the game, right? Probably switched over and coached the DL because of a void in the coaching staff. Rode Jimmy Johnsons jock-strap to a DC position and benefitted from the Hershal Walker trade that loaded the Cowboys 20 years ago. Some moron thought it was to his credit and gave him a head coaching job on Johnsons recommendation. He inherited teams flirting with the playoffs, not down-ridden franchises. He left them down-ridden franchises though and miraculously landed even more head coaching positions.

Now you guys want to say, "Yeah, but he would be a great Coordinator!"

Why would Wannstache be a great coordinator? Has he developed a scheme that others used as a staple for the past twenty years? Was he innovated in ANY way? What is he known for? I read someone give him credit for recruiting High School boys in Western PA ... can I get a bowl of soup with that recommendation?

Don't post again about Wannstache being a DC unless you can add substance to your post to support it. Why would he be a great DC, because he sucked as a head coach, and lost his players at every turn?

Stan and Ghoolie are right on the money with this...this guy blows donkey balls.

@clevelandbigdawg said:

no. i'm pretty sure that is sarcasm. like mangini would want anything to do with holmgren ever again, except to bring a team into cleveland and beat the snot out of us...........sorta like this year dousing the pats and being 2 mins away from beating the jets.

@brownindian said:

Can't tell if that's sarcasm. In case it isn't, I am sure he wouldn't take a demotion from the same team. I could see him going elsewhere though for the gig.

Hillis-iz-Boss said:

Has Wannstache been a DC in the past twenty years?

The guy was an offensive lineman when he played the game, right? Probably switched over and coached the DL because of a void in the coaching staff. Rode Jimmy Johnsons jock-strap to a DC position and benefitted from the Hershal Walker trade that loaded the Cowboys 20 years ago. Some moron thought it was to his credit and gave him a head coaching job on Johnsons recommendation. He inherited teams flirting with the playoffs, not down-ridden franchises. He left them down-ridden franchises though and miraculously landed even more head coaching positions.

Now you guys want to say, "Yeah, but he would be a great Coordinator!"

Why would Wannstache be a great coordinator? Has he developed a scheme that others used as a staple for the past twenty years? Was he innovated in ANY way? What is he known for? I read someone give him credit for recruiting High School boys in Western PA ... can I get a bowl of soup with that recommendation?

Don't post again about Wannstache being a DC unless you can add substance to your post to support it. Why would he be a great DC, because he sucked as a head coach, and lost his players at every turn?

@atenears said:

He never led Miami to a 4-12 record. He had 4 winning seasons then one horrible one in which he was let go in the middle of the season. He also had 4 seasons at .500 before the Bears went downhill. You made it sound like he took over great teams and ruined them. While Wannstedt is never going to win CotY honors he wasn't as horrible as you made him out to be. Also, he is being interviewed for the DC position so I really don't know why any of that is relevant to begin with.

@atenears said:

Because the guy rode on the bus with a Dallas Cowboy team that fielded like 11 Pro Bowlers, 22 years ago? Or a stacked Miami Hurricane team 25 years ago? WTF has he done successfully in the past 20 years?

This is a horrible hire ... just horrible. F'ing A, Mangini's done more in coordinator positions since Wannstedt last tasted any personal accomplishment.

He's a household name ... insert golf clap.

This shit is getting old.

Don't hire/fire someone on information that doesn't pertain to their job. He IS a good coordinator so push him to the side because he was a bad head coach. Same thing with people saying Mangini should have been fired because of his bad 09 draft even though he already had GM duties taken away from him.

Because the guy rode on the bus with a Dallas Cowboy team that fielded like 11 Pro Bowlers, 22 years ago? Or a stacked Miami Hurricane team 25 years ago? WTF has he done successfully in the past 20 years?

This is a horrible hire ... just horrible. F'ing A, Mangini's done more in coordinator positions since Wannstedt last tasted any personal accomplishment.

He's a household name ... insert golf clap.

This shit is getting old.

Hillis-iz-Boss said:

This.

Also, ATENEARS facts are completely false.

@atenears said:

He took an 11-5 Miami team and reduced it o to 4-12.

Please, please, please ... I beg Lerner, Holmgren, and the ghost of Christmas past, please look elsewhere.

You need to separate Wannstedt the HC from Wannstedt the DC. Because someone sucked as a HC doesn't mean they can't be a good DC or OC.

@atenears said:

He took an 11-5 Miami team and reduced it o to 4-12.

Please, please, please ... I beg Lerner, Holmgren, and the ghost of Christmas past, please look elsewhere.

He is not going to be a head coach he is going to be a coordinator. As a coordinator he has done very well and I am not against hiring him.