@runyon27 said:

If you can acquire Vincent Jackson he is surely a #1 WR. If we can obtain Jackson we can wait till later rounds to draft a WR. Now wether or not Jackson would come to Cleve is another debate.

@sheepdog said:

Look at the NYJs, they have a lockdown duo which helps them get pressure on the QB. Additionally you can get a DL in the second round and they be just as, not equally, effective as a first rounder. Between Peterson from LSU and Prince from Nebraska we should be able to get one of the two. Peterson could also return kicks with Cribbs, what a dangerous Special Teams combo.

True we need WRs for McCoy but at the same time we need vetern WRs so I think we should get our #1 WR out of FA.

I want nothing to do with Prince he was torched quite a few times this season and didn't show the shutdown ability of a #1rd corner..

@sheepdog said:

wrong. they had plenty of dink and dunk plays this season(ala WCO) and did notta. couldn't separate or weren't strong or brave enough to catch the quick slants. out of our starters, stuckey and momass are the only two worth keeping and even they aren't a #1 WR.

I believe Blackmon out of Ok St will be in the 2012 draft, not sure about any other WRs.

@sheepdog said:

Look at the NYJs, they have a lockdown duo which helps them get pressure on the QB. Additionally you can get a DL in the second round and they be just as, not equally, effective as a first rounder. Between Peterson from LSU and Prince from Nebraska we should be able to get one of the two. Peterson could also return kicks with Cribbs, what a dangerous Special Teams combo.

True we need WRs for McCoy but at the same time we need vetern WRs so I think we should get our #1 WR out of FA.

Any WR we get in FA won't be a true #1 WR. We cannot got into 2011 with the same group of WRs, however we address it. I think we should take the best player available at #6 whether its Green or someone else and worry about needs in the other picks. Because frankly the BPA is going to help no matter what position he plays.

Look at the NYJs, they have a lockdown duo which helps them get pressure on the QB. Additionally you can get a DL in the second round and they be just as, not equally, effective as a first rounder. Between Peterson from LSU and Prince from Nebraska we should be able to get one of the two. Peterson could also return kicks with Cribbs, what a dangerous Special Teams combo.

True we need WRs for McCoy but at the same time we need vetern WRs so I think we should get our #1 WR out of FA.

The way the draft is lining up I think we will be able to get an excellent D-lineman with our 1st rounder. Something we desperately need.

@vegasdogg said:

i agree 1000%, and didn't shurmer suggest OL in his press conference? (although i doubt holmgren will let his lap dog say much on draft day.) we need so much help that any improvement at DL, RT, DE, WR would be a good thing.

@hoorta said:

Normally I think "The Hair" is full of it, but this time I'll have to agree. The Panthers take Green, and who's going to get him the ball? Clausen? He has the first five picks going almost exactly the way I predicted, but to be honest I've never seen Blaine Gabbert mentioned as a potential top 10 pick- frankly never heard of him before.

BTW, he has Green waiting there for the Browns @ #6.

Also heard more of Mel on late night ESPN radio, and his estimation is the draft is very deep in DE, DT, but only 3 WRs with first round credentials. That being the case if H&H see it the same way, about guaranteed they go offense first, and then hope one of the top DL falls out of the first round.

Hmm, after looking at it like that... I have to agree with you Hoorta.

I was thinking more along the lines that if the Panthers want Clausen to be their guy they'd help him out by drafting Green but Clausen isn't exactly starting QB material in the NFL either.

@toilet-cookie said:

mangini had no problem doing it and the pats are almost guaranteed to move back a few spots before they select a player

fwiw fans of every team always want to move back when they cant decide what player they want. or if they personally dont feel like a player is worth that high of a draft pick

@next2nothing said:

Mel doesn't think so

Normally I think "The Hair" is full of it, but this time I'll have to agree. The Panthers take Green, and who's going to get him the ball? Clausen? He has the first five picks going almost exactly the way I predicted, but to be honest I've never seen Blaine Gabbert mentioned as a potential top 10 pick- frankly never heard of him before.

BTW, he has Green waiting there for the Browns @ #6.

Also heard more of Mel on late night ESPN radio, and his estimation is the draft is very deep in DE, DT, but only 3 WRs with first round credentials. That being the case if H&H see it the same way, about guaranteed they go offense first, and then hope one of the top DL falls out of the first round.

@hoorta said:

I don't care what our pal Rich says- defense wins championships- but just look at the management team- I think it's a given they go offense, unless Green is already off the board, OR they think they can land an impact wr in the second round. (DA Bungles got lucky with Stinko there)

Yup we need a badass run stuffin' pass rushin' monster (or three) fer sure- but Fairley isn't going to be there @ #6. And look at it the other way Z, a great pass rush makes your corners look a lot better than they are, when they don't have to cover the opposing wideouts for ten seconds. Quick, who's the corners for the Steelers- see what I mean?

If we took Peterson it would be as a safety IMHO.

especially a guy like an OLB or a DE

you can look at any teams message boards and every team puts pass rusher up at the top of the needs list......but that is a fans misconception of how the game is played

anybody can pick a DE that runs a 4.5 and excelled in college at getting to the QB. the trick is finding a guy who can do more than that. a pass rusher is almost never the most important need for a team and almost always a fans pick for the best player available because sacks are so overrated

the browns need a lot more than a pass rusher. it starts from the inside out. the browns could use a DT that stops the run, they could also use some healthy linebackers and the biggest need is probably WRs

if the browns pass on a WR in the first round then id be willing to bet shurmur will be out in 2 years just like romeo and mangini

@wvdawg said:

Would be a miracle if he does but with Luck no longer in the mix then the Panthers would be stupid to pass him up.

@kosar_for_president said:

I'll get a raging semi if Fairley is on the board at #6.

On WalterFootball.com they have us taking Dareus from Alabama and I think he was a force on that D-Line for Saban so I would be happy with that.

@unsympathetic said:

This shouldn't be a question - we need DL help, and we need it yesterday. The 4-3 is a good start.. perhaps we can get one more good year out of Rogers.. but everyone else aside from Rubin flat-out stinks.

I am actually coming around to it now. Taking a DL. Pittsburgh gave up a total of 1,000 yards rushing ALL season. That is what wins games. Sign a FA receiver like Simms-Walker. Look at what Shurmur did in St. Louis without a decent receiver.

@unsympathetic said:

This shouldn't be a question - we need DL help, and we need it yesterday. The 4-3 is a good start.. perhaps we can get one more good year out of Rogers.. but everyone else aside from Rubin flat-out stinks.

No one is arguing that- although I do think the defense went in the tank when Fujita got hurt, and Roth is a keeper. No doubt the Browns need a serious infusion of youth and talent in the defensive front seven. If we are going to switch to a 4-3 now would be the time because there's serious turnover afoot regardless.

It will come down to who's the BPA at a position of need when the Browns draft, and if it comes out equal, my hunch is the Browns will go offense. It's real early though- we're not even to the combine and individual workouts. A lot can change between now and April.