@brownsbacker said:

I also think we all need to look past "instant gratification". There is nothing that says you have to make hires within a week of a search opening.

Q:How many management job searches in the private sector are resolved in days?

A: Damn few!

Q: How many Teams are still playing, & do they have Coaches who MAY be candidates?

A: Four Teams, & we'll see, but not before said Teams are finished playing.

I've also heard the rumors of Wans.... going to Buffalo, & I really think Philly has the inside track to Jauron.

Speculation & rumor gets us nowhere, so I'm just gonna sit back & see what happens. Bottom line is that we ALL want to see improvement, so we don't want things to happen as they did under previous regimes. So far, they are happening far differently, & that just may be a good thing. Time will tell.

I will also trust our FO (really is no choice). In order to EFFECT change, there must BE change.

Mike

So we are interviewing wanabe wanstedt and billy davis who the f**k is that?

I was kinda ok with getting on offensive minded hc but it seems to me holmgren is letting the grains of sand for def. Coordinators slip through his fingers. By not talking to any of the assistant head coaches after mangini was canned would've gave me a bad feeling and now we can see the fallout from leaving them hang. Now we are interviewing wanstedt and davis??????

I think mangini did a good job at coaching and drafting let's not forget what savage left him for draft picks his first year as h.c. we had the best draft and free agency last year than I can remember. Granted it wasn't 100% him pulling the strings, but I know getting hillis is more him than anyone cause he had a woody for him when he was the jets coach.

The big east is one of the weakest conference's in college football and in my opinion a "good" def. Minded coach shoulda been able to steam roll that conference and well we see how that turned out.

And Billy Davis's resume is shorter than my cock and equally unimpressive.

We are not even close to the draft and I already have lost confidence in what holmgren is doing.

I think we are only a few more pieces away from being playoff contenders and after that we can start adding depth, let's not strip this down and start over for the 50th time.

@kshutchins said:

I used to like Flub-a-dub, but now, in my later years, I can relate more to Phineas T Bluster.

Mike

@neweradawg said:

Princess Summerfall Winterspring was definitely a charmer. I loved Flub-a-dub.

@ballpeen said:

As a young lad of 5 or so my Mom got me a seat in the peanut gallery on one of their traveling telecasts.

Buffalo Bob was my idol at about 6 years old . And I thought the injun chick was hot too .

@ballpeen said:

As a young lad of 5 or so my Mom got me a seat in the peanut gallery on one of their traveling telecasts.

missed howdy by a couple of years. but remember 'the uncle al show' which was piped in across NW ohio in the late '60's. talk about the precursor to little nibbler pervs. "calgon take me away!!!!"

As a young lad of 5 or so my Mom got me a seat in the peanut gallery on one of their traveling telecasts.

@miktoxic said:

and who gives anybody the right to tell other fans how they should feel. i never liked holmgren because he thinks he is a genius, which he's not. give him the talent we had last year and let's see what he coulda done. squadoosh. that's what!

pat shurmer 2011:

Wait they hired savage again? Everyone needs to calm down this was a good hire and fit.

@miktoxic said:

and who gives anybody the right to tell other fans how they should feel. i never liked holmgren because he thinks he is a genius, which he's not. give him the talent we had last year and let's see what he coulda done. squadoosh. that's what!

pat shurmer 2011:

And the new theme song for the Browns:

This is getting very discouraging.

@brownsbacker said:

well he's got his shurmer puppet. if you don't think holmgren is gonna be up in the booth with a headset on telling this little shit what to do you all are mistaken. whippee!!! let's get ready for the fat senile hitler regime that al davis wishes he could brew up.

and who gives anybody the right to tell other fans how they should feel. i never liked holmgren because he thinks he is a genius, which he's not. give him the talent we had last year and let's see what he coulda done. squadoosh. that's what!

pat shurmer 2011:

@wrrebel said:

It seems to me Holmgren wants to hire a bunch of lackey's so he can influence them.. Holmgren should have come in and coached but is too lazy.. I hate the fact that he says he still has the fire to coach again, but when given the opportunity he hires some one who is questionable at best.

I like Heckert, and would like Holmgren as a coach.. I am starting to question the structure

he compromises the stability of the structure when he keeps expressing his desire to coach again......

@cambridgeho said:

I say bring him on. He strikes me as somebody with fire in their belly

@slowburn said:

been posts on the board from individuals who have played major college program and pro football during their career. They spoke of the politics involved in the coach hiring process. Good ole boy

networks, favors owed and other dynamics that steer the process were, in their opinion, the staus quo more often than not. I understand this. Davis' father has coached in the league forever. Davis grew up

in the shadow of Pop's career beginning with a ball boy gig with the Philly eagles. Yea, you gotta take care of your own but what about the concept, which most of us live by, of working hard and smart knowing

that the payoff of bigger bucks and opportunities is the result of hard work, competence and dedication. I understand, too, the concept of giving an individual a fresh start with a clean slate; optimistic that new

people, places, and things are what this person needs to succeed. but c'mon this guy has loser written all over him. And to think that holms/heckeert might bring him into environment that chews up coaches

like nobodies business is complete insanity. yea , i know they have not hired him but just givin this guy a wiff of a coaching job opportunity in cleveland pisses me right the f off. enough of the dog and pony

shows. bring in a proven winner and get serious about turning this football team around. JTIOT

I have a theory.. We are trying to assemble the worst coaching staff possible so we can get the number 1 pick in 2012 and draft andrew luck..

It seems to me Holmgren wants to hire a bunch of lackey's so he can influence them.. Holmgren should have come in and coached but is too lazy.. I hate the fact that he says he still has the fire to coach again, but when given the opportunity he hires some one who is questionable at best.

I like Heckert, and would like Holmgren as a coach.. I am starting to question the structure

@theclevelandsound said:

Next year the Browns go 10-6 (extremely easy schedule). They get into the playoffs but lose in the Wild Card round.

Everyone here is high on their success and think Shurmur is the shit.

The next year, we play the NFC East and AFC West. We get shit on and go 6-10.

Shurmur is fired. Holmgren is in. Done.

I just saved you some time

Very possible and Holmgren might only have one year to prove he can do it. Holmgren wanted things done his way which is going to happen. I'm about ready to pull a rip vanwinkle on the whole thing

been posts on the board from individuals who have played major college program and pro football during their career. They spoke of the politics involved in the coach hiring process. Good ole boy

networks, favors owed and other dynamics that steer the process were, in their opinion, the staus quo more often than not. I understand this. Davis' father has coached in the league forever. Davis grew up

in the shadow of Pop's career beginning with a ball boy gig with the Philly eagles. Yea, you gotta take care of your own but what about the concept, which most of us live by, of working hard and smart knowing

that the payoff of bigger bucks and opportunities are the result of hard work, competence and dedication. I understand, too, the concept of giving an individual a fresh start with a clean slate; optimistic that new

people, places, and things are what this person needs to succeed. but c'mon this guy has loser written all over him. And to think that holms/heckeert might bring him into environment that chews up coaches

like nobodys business is complete insanity. yea , i know they have not hired him but just givin this guy a wiff of a coaching job opportunity in cleveland pisses me right the f off. enough of the dog and pony

shows. bring in a proven winner and get serious about turning this football team around. JTIOT

@wrrebel said:

So........Where's Gruden you little EVIL-DOER ? lol

IMO Wannstedt is a damn good DC but has proven that he's not a winning head coach (Dick LaBeau, Romeo Crennel)..

I'd rather have Dave rather than a rookie coordinator learning on the job...

If you review the history of the "new" Browns you'll see a bunch of rookie coordinators with the exception of Fazio & Arians under Butch Davis and that was the only team to reach the playoffs....

Experienced coordinators make the head coach look brilliant...........

Peace

T.Dawg