@lemosley01 said:

Not on those free blitzes up the middle. More when he has a true pocket that is starting to colapse in on him (say at that 2 second point in that mental 3 second clock). That is where slips into that hop step and almost starts to pull the down if you will, as if to be making the move out of the pocket. Not keeping it up and still looking to deliver, even if the protection/defenders are about to hit him.

@geech said:

I think it's not so much a matter of scrambling out of the pocket as it is "staring down the barrel." BQ moves well when out of the pocket, but his mechanics under pressure inside of the pocket leaves something to be desired. He tends to hurry through his motion, throw off of his back foot, etc., etc.

I know it's not easy to stand up to that barrel loaded with 250+ pound LBers and DL. He's gotta learn to stand tall and take the occasional beating.

-Al

Do you mean not change his mechanics, because he certainly took the beating - it was a little more than occasional, thanks to Hank Fraley.

@brownindian said:

Also, It seems Brady's recovery is rather slow (he might miss preseason and opening games of 09) and NE might not want to let go of Cassell until they know for sure that Brady is ready.

So the two people who might dent the trade value of DA will not be traded. If NE were to trade Matt Cassell worst case, they would still need a good backup guy and DA can be traded there (if they are interested).

And trade him for what?

another back-up QB..cuz now there is no depth at at that position........Dorsey is awful and gradkowski...well, he just is more stink.

no team would trade a 3rd rounder for that POS (except maybe the lions, but Millen got fired)

Teams usually don't waste picks on shitty experimental project QB's until the 5th or 6th round.

@geech said:

I think it's not so much a matter of scrambling out of the pocket as it is "staring down the barrel." BQ moves well when out of the pocket, but his mechanics under pressure inside of the pocket leaves something to be desired. He tends to hurry through his motion, throw off of his back foot, etc., etc.

I know it's not easy to stand up to that barrel loaded with 250+ pound LBers and DL. He's gotta learn to stand tall and take the occasional beating.

-Al

I keep trying to get him to post here. I am gonna have to brow beat him and his wife more...lol

I see what you are talking about now. You were talking in the pocket. The little hop is a bad habit, that seems to come and go for him (broke it in college but started to do it this year in his few starts), and he does hold the ball a little low when in the pocket and the presure coming.

He does have to learn to stand tall and take the occasional beating. I think he will (he took plenty against Ohio St. in the bowl game). But he's got to play in order for that to happen.

Masters said:

Your quote of JasonJ comes from the same JasonJ that I quoted. (Speaking of which, I hope we hear more from him soon.)

I think it's not so much a matter of scrambling out of the pocket as it is "staring down the barrel." BQ moves well when out of the pocket, but his mechanics under pressure inside of the pocket leaves something to be desired. He tends to hurry through his motion, throw off of his back foot, etc., etc.

I know it's not easy to stand up to that barrel loaded with 250+ pound LBers and DL. He's gotta learn to stand tall and take the occasional beating.

-Al

@inspecta said:

No they wouldn't.

That's why there's still a question about it.

Quinn did NOTHING on or off the football field this season to make anyone say he is a better teammate, leader, or football player than DA. If you want to argue something different, go ahead and make a case.

But it is well known that Quinn's followers want his 2008 stats removed from the books because they were not what they expected.

The entire case for Quinn is still based on "potential" which happens to consist of incredible mythical qualities such as "it factor" and the unfounded beliefs that Quinn works super hard and is an incredible leader.

And BTW, the leadership argument that shep swore up and down to took a big hit a couple weeks ago when Quinn took a fist to the face in the locker room.

@lumbergh said:

But just wondering, in your BQ-infatuated mind what exactly have DA and BQ done to make someone decide that they should go with BQ?

go away you DA knob sucking fag

@geech said:

-Al

I am curious, which mechanics are you refering to? One of Quinn's better qualities is his mechanics, especially when moving out of the pocket to avoid the rush. High chop steps with the ball remaining high in a position to throw w/o having to reload.

Do I have as much faith in BQ as Shep does? Certainly not. I think BQ will be a decent QB. I think he compares to Ken O'Brien, who made it to two Pro Bowls, but I don't think he'll be anything spectacular. BQ's "mechanics under pressure" still need alot of tweaking.

-Al

@lumbergh said:

Well, for starters, DA is the same QB he was in HS that he is now. In 20+ NFL starts he hasn't gotten better, he actually got worse.

Does that mean Quinn will not do the same? No. Quinn might bomb out. But he's still the unknown, while DA is the known.

@lumbergh said:

The same Mortenson who did an about face after Quinn's first start??????

@geech said:

-Al

Apparently Randy Lerner is leaving the question open to the new coach.

But just wondering, in your BQ-infatuated mind what exactly have DA and BQ done to make someone decide that they should go with BQ?

@shepwrite said:

There haven't been any predictions on my part. I just told you why he stayed on the bench so long and why he got pulled so fast.

And it has very little to what some fans call "IT FACTOR" and everything to do with "THROWIN A FRIGGEN FOOTBALL FACTOR" as Chris Mortenson would say.

@lumbergh said:

Just because you want DA to make it really bad doesn't make it true, neither.

DA is done. Get your fork out and accept it.

-Al

Lerner reportedly pulled the plug on DA to avoid further national embarrassment. DA is gone. Nobody wants him as a starter and the Browns made their decision on him mid-November. He's officially at Ty Detmer back-up status at best.

Oh, and Parcels isn't coming anymore than Cowher or Urban Meyer was. Why come from Miami, North Carolina, or Florida to rainy northern Ohio when you have a good situation with nothing to prove?

I'm still hoping for Pioli + McDaniels.

@shepwrite said:

shep just because you want it really bad doesn't make it true.

If Quinn had actually played well this year, as you guaranteed he would and which did not happen, then you would have a better case for your boy getting the job handed to him.

As it stands Quinn is a 49.5% passer who hasn't thrown a TD in his last 70+ passes and who's last pass thrown was a picked in the red zone.

@lumbergh said:

Again, numbnuts, that isn't a BONUS...it is AVAILABLE ESCALATORS (to base salary).

8/7/2007: Signed a five-year, $9.25 million contract. The deal contains $7.75 million guaranteed, including a $4.3 million roster bonus in the second year. Another $11 million is available though escalators in 2010 and 2011 based on Quinn taking at least 55% of the snaps in each of the first two years or at least 70% in his third season. Another $9.8 million is available, but is unlikely to be earned. 2008: $370,000, 2009: $655,000, 2010-2011: $700,000, 2011: Free Agent

Even if BQ gets those escalators, his remaining contract is 3yrs for $13,055,000

DA is $15,600,000 for the next 2yrs.

Do the math!!!

This is just my opinion, but I think it's safe to say that DA is the QB of Christmas past, BQ is the QB of Christmas present, and neither will be the QB of Christmas future. Although, BQ will have every chance to redeem his "throw it at Vickers's feet from two feet away" ability.

At least BQ has a nice touch most of the time, which is a cut above DA's "throw it at everyone's feet from every distance" ability. I don't think DA is worth much more than a case of urinal cakes for trade value. Maybe we can get two cases if we package him with #54.

-Al

Aloysius said:

Yeah it's a stupid idea and will never happen.

The only reason it comes up is that the BQ faithful are bitter that DA makes more money.

@inspecta said:

DA won't be restructuring anything this offseason.

The QB decision will be made by the new coach. If the new coach goes with DA then expect BQ to ask for a trade. If the new coach goes with BQ then expect DA to ask for a trade. If the new coach wants a competition then it will get interesting.

@inspecta said:

I don't see how that works. We ask DA to forgo a big payday...so that we can bench him? Why would he agree to that?