Hillis-iz-Boss said:

since 99, the browns have never had experienced people like holmgren, heckert, etc. they've always had people in lesser positions that were under someone else who was successful. i just don't think the present regime, based off of their individual accomplishments, should even be brought up in such a conversation. i think they deserve to be judged based off of what they do. it's a wait and see type of thing for me and the past failures shouldn't even be thrown on them. jmo.

@beare said:

sidney rice

santonio holmes

braylon edwards

malcom floyd

steve smith

terrell owens

randy moss

mike williams

james jones

steve breaston

Early Doucet (ARZ)

Brian Finneran (ATL)

Donte' Stallworth (BAL)

TJ Houshmandzadeh (BAL)

Rashied Davis (CHI)

Devin Aromashadu (CHI)

Chansi Stuckey (CLE)

Sam Hurd (DAL)

Jacoby Jones (HOU)

Mike Sims-Walker (JAC)

Kevin Curtis (MIA)

Hank Baskett (MIN)

Greg Lewis (MIN)

Lance Moore (NO)

Courtney Roby (NO)

Derek Hagan (NYG)

Darius Reynaud (NYG)

Brad Smith (NYJ)

Johnnie Lee Higgins (OAK)

Legedu Naanee (SD)

Ben Obomanu (SEA)

Laurent Robinson (STL)

Danny Amendola (STL)

Mark Clayton (STL)

Maurice Stovall (TB)

Santana Moss (WAS)

WHICH ONES WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE THE BROWNS TARGET???? id like to see us go after sidney rice and santana moss

We should target the ones i put in red. There are some other decent choices in the list but I feel that a lot of them will be resigned (lance moore, breaston, clayton, ect). If we get one of those guys in red plus A.J. Green I think we will be looking good. We would have momass, cribbs, and robo for slot receivers and watson and evan moore as two good TE options to go along with free agent pickups and possibly Green. And If we can get two of the guys in red I think we can draft defensive front in the first round...

The 2 others I wouldn't mind, jame jones, steve breaston

Rice will be franchised, jets will bring back holmes and no way we will even talk to braylon.

on a player with some potential durability issues. His stats last three years are decent:

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/F/FloyMa00.htm

@sj_browns said:

why don't we wait and see what holmgren, heckert and co. do instead of judging them based on the past actions of phil, romeo and co.?

I don't mean that they are going to sit rookies and then drop/trade them, I am saying players that take that 3-4 years to get good enough to become starters are shipped out because they are not producing right away. Obviously Haden and Ward are going to progress, because they came right out good enough to start and the same goes for McCoy, but most UFA's and late round picks the Browns get are dropped before their rookie year is up. Ya this is due to past regimes and I hope the new one stops it but since 1999 the only players who are with the team for a few years are the ones who are starting right off the bat and not progressing for a few years. The only player we picked up as a rookie that was given time to develop was Rubin.

He was a Cleveland Brown in 2006.

We made an oops.It just goes to show that our organization really isn't going to try and progress rookies.

you're basing this off of the previous regime's mistakes. how can you make a statement like this when both tj ward and joe haden got plenty of playing time? that's not letting them progress?

why don't we wait and see what holmgren, heckert and co. do instead of judging them based on the past actions of phil, romeo and co.?

@unsympathetic said:

7 TD's and 33 First down catches in 43 total receptions. Disappeared? And he was hurt for 2 games.

@wrrebel said:

Yeah they still have Chad Greenway too, ethier him or Rice will recieve the Franchise tag if it is still around with the new negoations

@beare said:

sidney rice

santonio holmes

braylon edwards

malcom floyd

steve smith

terrell owens

randy moss

mike williams

james jones

steve breaston

Early Doucet (ARZ)

Brian Finneran (ATL)

Donte' Stallworth (BAL)

TJ Houshmandzadeh (BAL)

Rashied Davis (CHI)

Devin Aromashadu (CHI)

Chansi Stuckey (CLE)

Sam Hurd (DAL)

Jacoby Jones (HOU)

Mike Sims-Walker (JAC)

Kevin Curtis (MIA)

Hank Baskett (MIN)

Greg Lewis (MIN)

Lance Moore (NO)

Courtney Roby (NO)

Derek Hagan (NYG)

Darius Reynaud (NYG)

Brad Smith (NYJ)

Johnnie Lee Higgins (OAK)

Legedu Naanee (SD)

Ben Obomanu (SEA)

Laurent Robinson (STL)

Danny Amendola (STL)

Mark Clayton (STL)

Maurice Stovall (TB)

Santana Moss (WAS)

WHICH ONES WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE THE BROWNS TARGET???? id like to see us go after sidney rice and santana moss

Well, a lot to choose from. In the best of scenarios I think one would want Sidney Rice and Santonio Holmes. I don't know if that would be possible though.

@theclevelandsound said:

It just goes to show that our organization really isn't going to try and progress rookies. You get as much time as deemed from the price of picking you up. Undrafted free agents need to perform right away (Benard) in order to stick around and picks as much time as deemed from the position they are picked in. Hell we trade away Wimblie last year who plays way better in a 4-3 (what are we running now) and we keep inviting Graham Harrell to training camp only to send him packing even though his skill sets are perfect for a back up QB, especially one in a WCO (accurate and good game manager).

The only reason Robiskie wasn't tossed to the wolves last year was because of the good training camp he had (must have been running routes against Eric Wright).

@unsympathetic said:

Smith is far too old. Jackson is a head case.

Floyd/rice/holmes - perhaps.

There really isn't a quick fix available.. it's all about the draft.

I think that both Steve Smith's are available are they not? Let's not forget Plexiglass Burress either!

Smith is far too old. Jackson is a head case.

Floyd/rice/holmes - perhaps.

There really isn't a quick fix available.. it's all about the draft.

Hillis-iz-Boss said:

He was a Cleveland Brown in 2006. We made an oops.

@beare said:

sidney rice

santonio holmes

braylon edwards

malcom floyd

steve smith

terrell owens

randy moss

mike williams

james jones

steve breaston

Early Doucet (ARZ)

Brian Finneran (ATL)

Donte' Stallworth (BAL)

TJ Houshmandzadeh (BAL)

Rashied Davis (CHI)

Devin Aromashadu (CHI)

Chansi Stuckey (CLE)

Sam Hurd (DAL)

Jacoby Jones (HOU)

Mike Sims-Walker (JAC)

Kevin Curtis (MIA)

Hank Baskett (MIN)

Greg Lewis (MIN)

Lance Moore (NO)

Courtney Roby (NO)

Derek Hagan (NYG)

Darius Reynaud (NYG)

Brad Smith (NYJ)

Johnnie Lee Higgins (OAK)

Legedu Naanee (SD)

Ben Obomanu (SEA)

Laurent Robinson (STL)

Danny Amendola (STL)

Mark Clayton (STL)

Maurice Stovall (TB)

Santana Moss (WAS)

WHICH ONES WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE THE BROWNS TARGET???? id like to see us go after sidney rice and santana moss

i think Lance Moore would be a nice cheep option to bring in as a really good slot guy, but I highly doubt he leaves NO. Anyone in your top 5 minus Edwards would be good too.