@secondwave said:

Yeah, I play for UNCC soccer, team Canada U-23 soccer, and got a scholarship to play for UNC Charlotte. Everything has been handed to me since middle school.

In high school I had a B- average, and even I scored a 40 on the wonderlic. I really do wonder how dumb some of these guys are with a score of 6.

With that said, it really doesn't matter what their scores are, as long as they're great at what they do. That's like factoring a med student's 40 time with how great they'll be in the profession.

With one exception- surgeons. Manual dexterity is way more important than genius intelligence. One of my (former) co-workers was great at cross-stitch and decided she was going to go to medical school. I thought to myself- "you're not smart enough". She's now one of the best surgeons in town.

@canton-mike said:

Well, let's see. I took that sample test & had 45, plus I'm 5'8", 64 years old, & 214 lbs. Now, I figure I could be a high pick, IF I were....

QB...10 lbs heavier, 8" taller, 42-44 years younger, & talented

DB...same weight, 4" taller, 42-44 years younger, & FAST

WR...10 lbs heavier, 10" taller, 42-44 years younger & faster than that DB above

I found the sample test to be pretty easy & I have no college. I find myself wondering about some of these guys hurting their scores by spending too much time on questions on which they're "stumped". Of course, the flip side of that is their inability to make quick decisions. I'll let the "draft" pros decide on this one as there are some kids who may lack classroom skills but understand their game.

Mike

Yeah, I play for UNCC soccer, team Canada U-23 soccer, and got a scholarship to play for UNC Charlotte. Everything has been handed to me since middle school.

In high school I had a B- average, and even I scored a 40 on the wonderlic. I really do wonder how dumb some of these guys are with a score of 6.

With that said, it really doesn't matter what their scores are, as long as they're great at what they do. That's like factoring a med student's 40 time with how great they'll be in the profession.

QB...10 lbs heavier, 8" taller, 42-44 years younger, & talented

DB...same weight, 4" taller, 42-44 years younger, & FAST

WR...10 lbs heavier, 10" taller, 42-44 years younger & faster than that DB above

I found the sample test to be pretty easy & I have no college. I find myself wondering about some of these guys hurting their scores by spending too much time on questions on which they're "stumped". Of course, the flip side of that is their inability to make quick decisions. I'll let the "draft" pros decide on this one as there are some kids who may lack classroom skills but understand their game.

Mike

@miktoxic said:

HEY, IT'S ALEX MACK EVERYONE!!!!!

I wish.

But I agree with you, it's ridiculous what they get paid in comparison to those who make a difference everyday. It's all for entertainment, and its a shame.

But, if I can get paid for playing, I'm not going to turn it down. Knock on wood.

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

I actually do the same job as them. What I was trying to say is their physical gifts get them the millions, not their mental prowess, or lack thereof.

I'm a center, on the other hand. I actually have to have a brain.

HEY, IT'S ALEX MACK EVERYONE!!!!!

@4browns said:

Good one... But you have to have a brain to do my job, probably yours too. 4.3 40 etc does you no good.

exactly. we pay these dolts millions but our teachers (probably the most important job of all) soldiers etc. get paid squadoosh. we are all dumb for letting this happen.

btw, i was hoping the tsunami made to cali so it could wash hollywood the FXXK off the map. :lol:

@4browns said:

Good one... But you have to have a brain to do my job, probably yours too. 4.3 40 etc does you no good.

I actually do the same job as them. What I was trying to say is their physical gifts get them the millions, not their mental prowess, or lack thereof.

I'm a center, on the other hand. I actually have to have a brain.

Ryan Fitzpatrick

The Unibomber:

By the way, they both attended Harvard!

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

When you can run a 4.3 40, beat a press covering corner, and jump 40 inches in the air over a safety to haul in an underthrown pass for a TD, then you can talk.

@4browns said:

What a great country huh? Despite (apparently) being dumber than a box of rocks these guys are going to be millionaires in short order.

Without sports these guys would be lucky to hold down a job at the local carwash.

When you can run a 4.3 40, beat a press covering corner, and jump 40 inches in the air over a safety to haul in an underthrown pass for a TD, then you can talk.

And they're damn-good at it.

Get over it.

Without sports these guys would be lucky to hold down a job at the local carwash.

@the-gipper said:

More stuff I found about the wonderlic:

A score of 48 is still behind former Cincinnati Bengals Punter Pat McInally. A former Harvard grad, McInally is the only player to register a verified 50 out of 50 on the test. That score is what convinced then Coach Paul Brown to draft McInally because he was enamored with intelligent football players. McInally once said he thought the score hurt him because NFL coaches and owners don’t like “extremes” in one direction or the other.

It is rumored Buffalo quarterback Ryan Fitzpatrick registered a 48 also on the Wonderlic test, however other reports deny that. The NFL doesn’t release the scores and they are only leaked by scouts and reporters at the Combine. So verification is difficult to do.

Arguably one of the smartest quarterbacks ever in the league Bernie Kosar, who graduated from University of Miami in less than 3 years, doesn’t have a registered score because he didn’t compete in the combine. The reason is he wasn’t graduated by the draft in April and entered the league in the Supplementary draft in August of 1985.

I've heard teams use a cutoff of 20 on the test for qbs, and 25 is better. The results in your other post bear that out with some exceptions.

BTW, RE Fitzpatrick, I have NO doubts that 48 on the Wunderlich is correct. If you saw my link to the Sporing News article, Ryan is a Harvard grad also- and his SAT score was 1580, which means he missed one stinking question on the test. I'd say that qualifies in the genius category.

PS Christian Ponder who's in this year's draft, graduated in 2- 1\2 years, and he wasn't taking basket weaving as a major.

@sj_browns said:

http://www.cleveland.com/ohio-sports-blog/index.ssf/2011/03/pm_cleveland_browns_links_anal.html

Matt Bowen, like a lot of people, has Georgia receiver A.J. Green going to the Browns with their first-round pick, the sixth overall in the draft. Bowen also has a unique perspective: The nationalfootballpost.com author spent six years in the NFL as a safety.

So his analysis of Green's skills and abilities, based on a breakdown of a videotaped catch by the ex-Bulldog, has a ring of veracity to it that few commentators can equal.

Now for us, we're convinced that the Browns could, should and will take a defensive lineman if one of the top choices -- Marcell Dareus of Alabama and Nick Fairley of Auburn by name -- is still available. And we're not wholly sure that they shouldn't go after Texas A&M linebacker Von Miller if HE is still on the board.

According to Bowen's mock draft, Dareus and Fairley will be gone -- Fairley with the first pick by Carolina and Dareus to Buffalo with the third overall pick. Sandwiched between them, at least on Bowen's board, is LSU cornerback Patrick Peterson.

His guess is that Alabama receiver Julio Jones will go to Cincinnati, then Auburn quarterback Cam Newton to Arizona.

That means that under Bowen's draft projection, Green is probably the best player available ... if you buy the argument from some that Miller is a bust waiting to happen. We don't. But even in those circumstances, we'd have to flip a lot of coins to decide between Green and Miller.

Especially after reading some of Bowen's analysis:

High point the ball: Green is essentially working vs. a CB that has a “stacked position” on him after the release. With the “quick jam” and the zone turn (back to the sideline), the CB is in the ideal position to go up and make a play — cutting off the corner of the end zone. However, this turns into a back shoulder fade — with the QB throwing the ball high and to the outside. What we see next is Green playing the ball at the highest point (with one hand) and winning in a situation that favored the defense.

OK, we're sold. Good thing we're not the ones making decisions.

Testing, testing

A.J. Green scored a 10 on the Wonderlic test. Julio Jones scored a 15. Patrick Peterson scored a 9. Folks, that's not a good sign. The Wonderlic is a basic intelligence test. The NFL, especially at the "skill" positions like wideout and cornerback, are thinking positions.

But not everyone believes a low Wonderlic score translates into instant failure. Jeff Schultz, a columnist for the Atlanta Journal-Constitution isn't too worried about Green's future on a football field. The kid will get it IF the coaches take their time and don't ask too much of him too soon.

That could be a problem for the Browns, who need a wide receiver to step up right away. But that's not the point here.

Nope, what we're after is seeing how well you would do on the Wonderlic. Click here for a sample test. Oh, and you only have 12 minutes to answer the 50 questions. Ready? Set? Go!

There is zero debate on Green's athletic ability, none. WCO you also have to be in the right place at the right time- the qb is throwing to an area. So is the guy smart enough to master what he needs to do in the offense?

A score of 48 is still behind former Cincinnati Bengals Punter Pat McInally. A former Harvard grad, McInally is the only player to register a verified 50 out of 50 on the test. That score is what convinced then Coach Paul Brown to draft McInally because he was enamored with intelligent football players. McInally once said he thought the score hurt him because NFL coaches and owners don’t like “extremes” in one direction or the other.

It is rumored Buffalo quarterback Ryan Fitzpatrick registered a 48 also on the Wonderlic test, however other reports deny that. The NFL doesn’t release the scores and they are only leaked by scouts and reporters at the Combine. So verification is difficult to do.

Arguably one of the smartest quarterbacks ever in the league Bernie Kosar, who graduated from University of Miami in less than 3 years, doesn’t have a registered score because he didn’t compete in the combine. The reason is he wasn’t graduated by the draft in April and entered the league in the Supplementary draft in August of 1985.

@drake54 said:

Wonderlic test doesn't necessarily translate to production on the field. Alex smith had a 40 on his and we all see hes a bust.

And Dan Marino got a 13 on the thing what does that show you.

Good point. Perhaps somewhere there is an article that reports what the Wonderlic tests scores were for some of the best performers.....but I did find this somewhere on line:

Other Pro QBs (bolded QBs shows they’ve won a ring)

42 - Drew Henson

40 - Alex Smith

39 - Aaron Rogers

39 - Eli Manning

39 - Brian Griese

38 - Charlie Frye

37 - Tony Romo

36 - Drew Bledsoe* (*won a Super Bowl, but as a backup)

35 - Matt Leinart

35 - Kellen Clemens

33 - Tom Brady

33 - Steve Young

32 - Joey Harrington

32 - Patrick Ramsey

32 - Sage Rosenfels

31 - J.P. Losman

31 - Matt Schaub

30 - Phillip Rivers

29 - Brady Quinn

29 - Rex Grossman

29 - Marc Bulger

29 - Matt Hasselbeck

29 - Troy Aikman

29 - John Elway

28 - Drew Brees

28 - Peyton Manning

27 - Kyle Boller

27 - Ryan Leaf

26 - Jay Cutler

26 - Kyle Orton

26 - Carson Palmer

26 - Akili Smith

25 - Ben Roethlisberger

25 - Byron Leftwich

25 - Chad Pennington

24 - JaMarcus Russell

24 - David Carr

23 - Jason Campbell

22 - Tim Couch

22 - Trent Dilfer

22 - Brett Favre

20 - Michael Vick

19 - Tarvaris Jackson

19 - Bruce Gradkowski

19 - Derek Anderson

19 - A.J. Feeley

18 - Daunte Culpepper

17 - Aaron Brooks

17 - Vinny Testeverde

16 - Vince Young (6 on first try)

15 - Steve McNair

15 - Randall Cunningham

15 - Dan Marino

15 - Terry Bradshaw

14 - David Garrard

14 - Donovan McNabb

11 - Marcus Vick

10 - Jeff George

8 - Chris Leak

Matt Bowen, like a lot of people, has Georgia receiver A.J. Green going to the Browns with their first-round pick, the sixth overall in the draft. Bowen also has a unique perspective: The nationalfootballpost.com author spent six years in the NFL as a safety.

So his analysis of Green's skills and abilities, based on a breakdown of a videotaped catch by the ex-Bulldog, has a ring of veracity to it that few commentators can equal.

Now for us, we're convinced that the Browns could, should and will take a defensive lineman if one of the top choices -- Marcell Dareus of Alabama and Nick Fairley of Auburn by name -- is still available. And we're not wholly sure that they shouldn't go after Texas A&M linebacker Von Miller if HE is still on the board.

According to Bowen's mock draft, Dareus and Fairley will be gone -- Fairley with the first pick by Carolina and Dareus to Buffalo with the third overall pick. Sandwiched between them, at least on Bowen's board, is LSU cornerback Patrick Peterson.

His guess is that Alabama receiver Julio Jones will go to Cincinnati, then Auburn quarterback Cam Newton to Arizona.

That means that under Bowen's draft projection, Green is probably the best player available ... if you buy the argument from some that Miller is a bust waiting to happen. We don't. But even in those circumstances, we'd have to flip a lot of coins to decide between Green and Miller.

Especially after reading some of Bowen's analysis:

High point the ball: Green is essentially working vs. a CB that has a stacked position on him after the release. With the quick jam and the zone turn (back to the sideline), the CB is in the ideal position to go up and make a play cutting off the corner of the end zone. However, this turns into a back shoulder fade with the QB throwing the ball high and to the outside. What we see next is Green playing the ball at the highest point (with one hand) and winning in a situation that favored the defense.

OK, we're sold. Good thing we're not the ones making decisions.

Testing, testing

A.J. Green scored a 10 on the Wonderlic test. Julio Jones scored a 15. Patrick Peterson scored a 9. Folks, that's not a good sign. The Wonderlic is a basic intelligence test. The NFL, especially at the "skill" positions like wideout and cornerback, are thinking positions.

But not everyone believes a low Wonderlic score translates into instant failure. Jeff Schultz, a columnist for the Atlanta Journal-Constitution isn't too worried about Green's future on a football field. The kid will get it IF the coaches take their time and don't ask too much of him too soon.

That could be a problem for the Browns, who need a wide receiver to step up right away. But that's not the point here.

Nope, what we're after is seeing how well you would do on the Wonderlic. Click here for a sample test. Oh, and you only have 12 minutes to answer the 50 questions. Ready? Set? Go!

Hillis-iz-Boss said:

I read an article on Bleacher report where they went over some of the lowest wonderlic scores of the past decade and from what I saw there were a few positions that the score had little or now affect on while it had a larger affect on others. The positions that it affected the most were of course QB, OL, and the Linebacker position. The least affected were actually WR's, DL, and DB's. Of course I didn't really see any WR's that were in a WCO so that could be a factor, but this doesn't really worry me all that much and Peterson should be fine if he's not that smart.

Its odd that you are quoting the Bleacher report, because I remember you telling me that basically all their articles suck and their writers are all hacks?

I guess they are good enough now to pull quotes from?

@clevelandbigdawg said:

I played for the Cardinals, but never got to play against Ross, so I couldnt tell you. Where did you go?

Parkway

I am sure there are med students all over the land who can ace the test.

We aren't going to draft them.