Stan, can we send Terry a I Hate The Steelers t-shirt?

@ballpeen said:

I am with Roach.

Peterson is the best player in the draft. If by some stroke of luck he is there when we pick, we better do a Irish Jig as we go to the podium to make him our selection.

I hosestly think our receivers will be better with the new NCO system. Our passing game the last few years was based on slow to develop pattern. I think the guys we currently have will be better in a quick to develop passing game, and we can also find some solid receivers for it later in the draft.

As for the pass rush, no way it can get any worse than it was...which means I again think it is going to improve based on system alone. Last year we played a hold your position D, many time just rushing 3 players. Unless we call some sort of zone that calls for a D lineman to drop off the rush and cover some underneath zone, we will have 4 guys rushing the QB on every play.

Add in our blitz packages were about as vanilla as it gets last year. I find it hard to believe Juron can't be a little more creative in that regard.

Hey 'Peen,

Did you write the above or did I?? LOL

I am a huge believer that system changes alone will improve & impact this Team. I also believe that if/when there is free agency, there is a "been in the wrong system" youngster out there that we may be able to sign reasonably. Vernon Gholston MAY be a bust, OR he may simply have been in the wrong system. I would risk my wrong system thought being the case, but we'll see.

Mike

Peterson is the best player in the draft. If by some stroke of luck he is there when we pick, we better do a Irish Jig as we go to the podium to make him our selection.

I hosestly think our receivers will be better with the new NCO system. Our passing game the last few years was based on slow to develop pattern. I think the guys we currently have will be better in a quick to develop passing game, and we can also find some solid receivers for it later in the draft.

As for the pass rush, no way it can get any worse than it was...which means I again think it is going to improve based on system alone. Last year we played a hold your position D, many time just rushing 3 players. Unless we call some sort of zone that calls for a D lineman to drop off the rush and cover some underneath zone, we will have 4 guys rushing the QB on every play.

Add in our blitz packages were about as vanilla as it gets last year. I find it hard to believe Juron can't be a little more creative in that regard.

@roach said:

Larry, you know how i feel about our dismal pash rush. i'm with you man- but.........

Last year my dream draft was Haden and McCoy. Look it up. That's what i wanted. i had no idea that Heckert/Holmgren would be able to squeeze in two quality players between those two. They got an A+ from me.

This year i want Peterson. If he's off the board, then i'll trust whatever Heckert goes with. For my second pick, i want the Browns to take the best OT that is on the board. St Clair is a joke and i don't want to overpay some old veteran in free agency to protect McCoy.

There you have it. i've stuck my kneck out Chop it off. Besides, if we fix the pass rush, what am i gonna bitch about?

Oh, I trust Heckert & Co. to make the right call too.

No chopping Ed- just pointing out the Jets had Revis and Cromartie- and it wasn't good enough. Why? The LBs and DL weren't good enough. Minnifield and Dixon weren't good enough for the Browns.

We can agree St Clair was a joke- and RT needs to be addressed. But IMHO for immediate impact, getting a legit #1 wideout, or stud DL LB will have far, far, more immediate impact on the Browns than another cornerback- regardless how great- would.

Oh, I like Peterson- but personally there's about 3-4 other guys in this draft I'd rather have than him.

@secondwave said:

And whoops, we're all thick headed because we wanted the best player available.

I guess no one but hoorta knows what they're talking about.

Peterson is the BPA AT HIS POSITION. It's certainly debatable- and I'm not going to waste time doing so- whether he's BPA in the draft- period- like some here have done. I've seen enough football drafts to know "sure things" and "can't misses" well, they do. I also haven't fallen in love with a particular player yet- another draft day no-no.

FWIW, I already posted relative value to a team by position, and CB isn't in the top 3. I'm almost ready to give you my lead pipe lock, that the Browns will not draft Peterson, even if he's still on the board when they're on the clock.

Will I be upset if we take Peterson? Definitely not. Just have a feeling the Browns won't be going in that direction.

i had a boss at my first job (CPA firm) that spelled interest (like Interest Income or whatever) as intrest. He gave me the same reason.

@hoorta said:

I'll say this for the last time- all you guys who have the hots for Peterson better hope he can cover #1 wideouts for 10 seconds- because that's how much time opposing quarterbacks will have to throw considering the current state of suckiness of the Browns front seven on defense. Rubin and Fujita are maybe the only 2 players there who could start for the Steelers, and you guys want another cornerback? Please- give it a rest already. Get it through your thick heads an effective pass rush negates the need for elite corners- the Giants & Colts Super Bowl winning teams, not to mention the runnerup Steelers are living proof of that. Asomugha and Revis are arguably the two best corners in the NFL right now, and their teams have been to how many Super Bowls? If you say none, go to the head of the class.

It's Green if he falls to us, BPA on the front seven, or a trade down. I'd love it if one of the two qbs were still on the board, we could swap with Washington, move down to #10, pick up an extra second rounder, and probably still get Julio Jones.

Larry, you know how i feel about our dismal pash rush. i'm with you man- but.........

Last year my dream draft was Haden and McCoy. Look it up. That's what i wanted. i had no idea that Heckert/Holmgren would be able to squeeze in two quality players between those two. They got an A+ from me.

This year i want Peterson. If he's off the board, then i'll trust whatever Heckert goes with. For my second pick, i want the Browns to take the best OT that is on the board. St Clair is a joke and i don't want to overpay some old veteran in free agency to protect McCoy.

There you have it. i've stuck my kneck out Chop it off. Besides, if we fix the pass rush, what am i gonna bitch about?

@nw220 said:

Disagree with Quinn ill give you Jones is the second best WR in the draft,but Quinn is not the 3rd or 4th best DE in this draft he is considered the first one that is going to be taken...

The only other DE who was even mentioned as top 5 material was Bowers and now he may not be because of his injury uncertanity, but you name me 4 DE's that are going to go ahead of Quinn...

And Miller dosent count because he is an OLB and is projected to stay that way even in the 4-3

Yeah, I would take Patrick Peterson, Von Miller, AJ Green, Nick Fairley,and hell, even Robert Quinn before we reach for Julio Jones at 6.

@dawgpound3 said:

Here's a tidbit that points to the Browns taking a wide receiver with the sixth pick:

Adam Schefter of ESPN thinks the Browns will ultimately end up selecting a wide receiver at No. 6 even though most believe they will go with a defensive lineman.

This puts Schefter on the same page with Browns beat writer Tony Grossi, who had Cleveland selecting Georgia WR A.J. Green in his latest mock draft. In order for that to happen, Green would have to first slip past the Bengals at No. 4

Here's what I have to say:

What you said doesn't necessarily correspond to Julio Jones being taken by the Browns at #6, so take it easy.

I do believe that AJ Green is number one on their draft board, but it doesn't mean that just because AJ Green is gone, they skip the best player available to reach for a need.

That's horrible logic. Heckert is much smarter than that.

@dawgpound3 said:

It's not about BPA available. Look at it this way, Jones is the 2nd best WR in the draft, and Quinn is the 3rd or 4th best DE in the draft. Since Jones is the second best wide receiver, you take him because he is after all, rated higher than Quinn who is 3rd or 4th best DE in draft.

Disagree with Quinn ill give you Jones is the second best WR in the draft,but Quinn is not the 3rd or 4th best DE in this draft he is considered the first one that is going to be taken...

The only other DE who was even mentioned as top 5 material was Bowers and now he may not be because of his injury uncertanity, but you name me 4 DE's that are going to go ahead of Quinn...

And Miller dosent count because he is an OLB and is projected to stay that way even in the 4-3

@nw220 said:

Maybe but i dont see Jones being the 6th BPA avaiable on there board, honestly i think theres a better chance we take Bowers over Jones and thats saying alot...

I mean people are questioning whether or not we would take Green and hes alot better than Jones so i dont see the logic in thinking if we were compteplating taking Green why would we take a WR thats not even on the same level as him, it dosent make much sense to me..

It's not about BPA available. Look at it this way, Jones is the 2nd best WR in the draft, and Quinn is the 3rd or 4th best DE in the draft. Since Jones is the second best wide receiver, you take him because he is after all, rated higher than Quinn who is 3rd or 4th best DE in draft.

@dawgpound3 said:

I think the brain tumor that Quinn has is scaring the crap out of Heckert, and that's why Jones is favored over Quinn.

Maybe but i dont see Jones being the 6th BPA avaiable on there board, honestly i think theres a better chance we take Bowers over Jones and thats saying alot...

I mean people are questioning whether or not we would take Green and hes alot better than Jones so i dont see the logic in thinking if we were compteplating taking Green why would we take a WR thats not even on the same level as him, it dosent make much sense to me..

@nw220 said:

I just dont see it maybe Heckert knows something we dont but Jones should not be taken at #6, we could easily take him at say around 10...Which to me is just a reach, i really dont care what Adam Schefter says or Mel Kiper for that matter.

The only way i see it is if Green is there he is worthy of the 6 pick if not we dont take Jones just because we need a reciever they can be had in later rounds and no need to reach for Jones who isnt worth the 6 pick in the draft in my opinion, we will take Peterson if hes available and make Niners fans hate us for it..

Also Quinn over Jones, if both Peterson and Green are gone....So i dont see the Jones selection

I think the brain tumor that Quinn has is scaring the crap out of Heckert, and that's why Jones is favored over Quinn.

@dawgpound3 said:

Here's a tidbit that points to the Browns taking a wide receiver with the sixth pick:

Adam Schefter of ESPN thinks the Browns will ultimately end up selecting a wide receiver at No. 6 even though most believe they will go with a defensive lineman.

This puts Schefter on the same page with Browns beat writer Tony Grossi, who had Cleveland selecting Georgia WR A.J. Green in his latest mock draft. In order for that to happen, Green would have to first slip past the Bengals at No. 4

Here's what I have to say:

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Kiper said the same exact thing, and I wouldn't mind or be surprised if it happened.

The only way i see it is if Green is there he is worthy of the 6 pick if not we dont take Jones just because we need a reciever they can be had in later rounds and no need to reach for Jones who isnt worth the 6 pick in the draft in my opinion, we will take Peterson if hes available and make Niners fans hate us for it..

Also Quinn over Jones, if both Peterson and Green are gone....So i dont see the Jones selection

Adam Schefter of ESPN thinks the Browns will ultimately end up selecting a wide receiver at No. 6 even though most believe they will go with a defensive lineman.

This puts Schefter on the same page with Browns beat writer Tony Grossi, who had Cleveland selecting Georgia WR A.J. Green in his latest mock draft. In order for that to happen, Green would have to first slip past the Bengals at No. 4

Here's what I have to say:

If AJ Green is taken by Bengals, then Julio Jones get taken by the Browns

I guess no one but hoorta knows what they're talking about.

@hoorta said:

I'll say this for the last time- all you guys who have the hots for Peterson better hope he can cover #1 wideouts for 10 seconds- because that's how much time opposing quarterbacks will have to throw considering the current state of suckiness of the Browns front seven on defense. Rubin and Fujita are maybe the only 2 players there who could start for the Steelers, and you guys want another cornerback? Please- give it a rest already. Get it through your thick heads an effective pass rush negates the need for elite corners- the Giants & Colts Super Bowl winning teams, not to mention the runnerup Steelers are living proof of that. Asomugha and Revis are arguably the two best corners in the NFL right now, and their teams have been to how many Super Bowls? If you say none, go to the head of the class.

We have 8 picks in this draft PLUS free agency. You make it seem like the #6 pick is our only pick.

It's quite the conundrum: the DLine buys the secondary time, but you fail to mention that the secondary buys the DLine time. Our secondary, believe it or not, is quite pathetic. We need all the help we can get. There's still some serviceable-to-fairly-adequate-to-really-good DLinemen in the second round. However, there's no CB as good as Amukamara or as sure of a thing as Patrick Peterson.

@miktoxic said:

patrick petersen............we'd be set for years in the DB. that would be a gift to see him fall to us.

I'll say this for the last time- all you guys who have the hots for Peterson better hope he can cover #1 wideouts for 10 seconds- because that's how much time opposing quarterbacks will have to throw considering the current state of suckiness of the Browns front seven on defense. Rubin and Fujita are maybe the only 2 players there who could start for the Steelers, and you guys want another cornerback? Please- give it a rest already. Get it through your thick heads an effective pass rush negates the need for elite corners- the Giants & Colts Super Bowl winning teams, not to mention the runnerup Steelers are living proof of that. Asomugha and Revis are arguably the two best corners in the NFL right now, and their teams have been to how many Super Bowls? If you say none, go to the head of the class.

It's Green if he falls to us, BPA on the front seven, or a trade down. I'd love it if one of the two qbs were still on the board, we could swap with Washington, move down to #10, pick up an extra second rounder, and probably still get Julio Jones.

@secondwave said:

It's becoming more and more of a lock with Cam Newton going to 1. Moreover, if Blaine Gabbert wasn't picked by Buffalo, he will with Cincy and Arizona in desperate need of a QB.

Yup, PP, Green or Von Miller will fall to us. Very happy.

patrick petersen............we'd be set for years in the DB. that would be a gift to see him fall to us.

Yup, PP, Green or Von Miller will fall to us. Very happy.