I think the only way he may succeed is if The Bills take a chance on him and let him sit behind Fitzpatrick for awhile and let Chan Gailey design an offense around some of his strengths.

But he more than likely he'll end up probaly in Washington or Oakland and have a terrible career that is even if he gets a chance to start.

This years whole QB class im not sold on..

Newton-Overhyped

Locker-Incredible Athlete but he needs time

Ponder-Reminds me a lil of Chad Pennington has a chance with Peterson and Harvin,but hes still questionable in certain situations seen alot of FSU games and he didnt look like a First round NFL QB to me

Dalton-A winner but theres something i dont see there plus he went to Cincy,has a chance since AJ is there and Shipley both great Receivers.

Karepernick-I actually like him best outta this class as long as he has time to develop with Harbaugh. Hes got a scary release and can run as well

Mallet- Has the luxury of sitting behind Brady and basically learning the game from one of the greatest ethier he'll make the most of it or he'll bust

@feartheroo said:

Only a matter of time until the suckeyes fans want the Browns to pick him up...

I think that as soon as the word got out I bet some in the Browns FO were wondering if it would be worth it. Maybe get a package deal bring in Pryor and for a new asst. coach...introducing Terssel. That would pop some eyes don't you think?

@king-ghoolie-lives said:

Whoa there, kimozombie, where did Cam Newton enter into this? I didn't say shit about Newton. But since you threw that in, I agree with you, Pryor is shit, just like Cam Newton is shit. Neither of these turds is going anywhere in the NFL.

Two shit players. Kordell Stewart clones without the fellatio.

I entered Cam Newton into this Ghoolie because I said that whatever crap happened in college with them all getting money etc. is now irrelevent when evaluating their future pro potential. In that regard I said I thought that Pryor and Newton had much the same skill set.

I may not necessarily agree with you that they will both turn out to be Kordell Stewart clones....but I recognize the validity of that. To me they both seem to have a lot of Vince Young in them. Vince Young was good for a bit, until NFL coaches figured him out, then he flamed out emotionally then athletically.

The difference I see that may make them a bust or a boom is what is between their ears. We see this business with Pryor taking money and seeming selfish and narcissistic and immature, but it will all come down to how well he does mature.

Right now, right here, no one can claim they know how good a QB either Pryor or Newton will end up being. And the same goes for Jake Locker and Andy Dalton and everyone else drafted this past draft.

@ballpeen said:

Sorry Gip....Auburn didn't hide anything.

If evidence is there, it can be found.

Are you talking about their offense with the TDs they scored?

@the-gipper said:

It may simply be a function of their offense. I note that in Auburn's offense, Newton did carry the load in terms of TDs on the Ground.

Auburn had 41 rushing TDs. Ohio State had 26. Of Auburn's rush TDs, Newton had 20. In OSU's offense, it was RB Dan Herron who got the call when it came to rushing for TDs. He had 16. Maybe if Tressel had called for Pryor's number in goal line situations, like apparently Auburn did quite a bit of, Pryor would have had a lot more TDs. But Tressel gave the ball to the RB, not the QB.

Sorry Gip....Auburn didn't hide anything.

If evidence is there, it can be found.

Cam Newton and Terrelle Pryor are comparable. Terrelle is a guy who is going to want to improve his mechanics and there's no evidence to suggest he can't. Cam seemed to have more confidence in his arm strength. But the tools and the ceiling for those two are comparable.

mikeyP72 said:

That's a lot of rushing TD's Gipper... That's the difference between Vick and every other mobile QB.

It may simply be a function of their offense. I note that in Auburn's offense, Newton did carry the load in terms of TDs on the Ground.

Auburn had 41 rushing TDs. Ohio State had 26. Of Auburn's rush TDs, Newton had 20. In OSU's offense, it was RB Dan Herron who got the call when it came to rushing for TDs. He had 16. Maybe if Tressel had called for Pryor's number in goal line situations, like apparently Auburn did quite a bit of, Pryor would have had a lot more TDs. But Tressel gave the ball to the RB, not the QB.

And also note this: Any discussion about these two now should have only to do with how well they will play in the pros. They will all eventually get tons of money, so whatever cash they may have gotten in college is irrelevent.

To me, whatever team gets Pryor will be taking a commodity that is basically on the same level as Newton....are far less of a risk in terms of draft positioning.

Along those lines, here are the comments from one respected NFL authority:

Adam Jardy of Scout.com reports via twitter that former Ohio State quarterback Terrelle Pryor has hired ex-NFL coach and current Monday Night Football analyst Jon Gruden as his trainer. Speaking at the 80th annual Ohio State Football Clinic in April, Gruden said that Pryor has dominated college football and could make it in the NFL. I have met Terrelle Pryor, had a chance to watch him. This is a freak of nature. This guy is really something with the ball in his hands. Pryor can run and he can throw and hes a hell of a competitor. "You might have to cater your offense, to a degree, towards his strengths, but I think this guy can develop his passing. His win-loss record speaks for itself. Hes not playing against the choir boys. This is a guy thats dominated college football.

@king-ghoolie-lives said:

I think this is a good post and question. On one hand, the Browns haven't exactly gotten anywhere trying to sign goody two shoes players, and we have watched more than our share of good talent pass us by for personal reasons not directly related to football.

I personally wouldn't pick him up, and here is why.

1) I think he would have an attitude about being converted.

2) He isn't a natural reciever and we would wind up with another Cribbs. Athletic, but unable to excell in a real skilled position.

3) I don't think he is very good at QB.

4) His OSU action portray him as a coward.

He isn't going anywhere in the NFL. His 15 minutes of fame have flickered out.

Again, I say: Show me one thing that Cam Newton has done in his career that that Pryor hasn't. (Besides winning the national title...yea, Newton's team won 1 more game than Pryor)

Their career stats are as follows:

Newton: 191 comp. 292 att. 2908 yds. 66% comp. pct. 30 TDs 7 ints 285 rushes 1586 yards 24 TDs

Pryor: 477 comp. 783 att. 6177 yds. 61 comp. pct. 57 TDs 26 ints. 436 rush 2164 yds. 19TDs

Note that Pryor started since his fresman year. Newton threw all of 12 passes in his fresh and soph seasons.

For just their last season, here is how the stats matchup:

Newton 185 comp. on 280 atts. 66.1 comp. pct. 2854 yds. 30 TDs 7 ints. 264 rushes 1473 yds. 20 TDs 5.6 ypc

Pryor 210 comp. on 323 atts. 65% comp. pct 2772 yds 27 TDs 11 ints 135 rushes 754 yds. 4 TDs. 5.6 ypc

Other than those 20 rushing TDs vs. 4 for Pryor, there is not a lot of statistical differences here that I see.

Hillis-iz-Boss said:

Anytime OSU plays somebody in the top 25, he says they are going to lose. He is the first person to say that OSU is going to get upset, to lose a bowl game, ect. There is being overly objective to make it seem like you not rooting for your amla mater and then there is literally shitting on them every week on National TV regardless of the opponent. Lee Corso picks the Bucks to win more than Kirk does.

Herbstreit probably picks against them so much just so he won't be accused of being a homer...so that he won't be accused of losing his journalistic "integrity". I can understand how that could happen in his position.

But, I will say this: it seems that the OSU football program must also have a very fine alliance with their communications program, and a direct link to ESPN. Look at all the OSU guys on there as analysts. Herbstriet, Robert Smith, Spielman, Chris Carter....and I may be missing someone..

@bob806 said:

Jeez....Mark May hates the Buckeyes. I guess you never noticed?

He hates OSU, Notre Dame, & Michigan, just to be clear.

His "hate" of OSU, ND, and Mich. is simply a manifestation of his inferiority complex by having gone to Pitt. I suspect those other schools didn't think enough of his talents to try to recruit him, and he maintains that grudge.

@miktoxic said:

not for nothing but they usually do lose. they can't play SFU every week (sorry browns sfu fan). one tough cream puff in a season? pleez, love the bucks but no respect there.

Umm then why were they 21 and 14 when playing teams who finished the season in the top 25 since Tressel took over as coach. Ya they were a 8 and 10 in that time against teams in the top 10, but those are the teams where it is supposed to be a very close game. His record against teams finishing 11-25 is 17-4 yet everytime OSU plays one of those team Herbstreat calls for OSU to lose, probably because he never really managed to accomplish anything himself when he played there and doesn't want them to accomplish anything now.

Hillis-iz-Boss said:

Anytime OSU plays somebody in the top 25, he says they are going to lose.

not for nothing but they usually do lose. they can't play SFU every week (sorry browns sfu fan). one tough cream puff in a season? pleez, love the bucks but no respect there.

@bigbrownsfan said:

Just because he doesn't swallow the OSU Kool Aid

Wrong. Let Ramzy of the awesome 11Warriors describe:

http://www.elevenwarriors.com/2011/05/concrete-blonde

"Herbstreit has been castigated wholesale by his own because he repeatedly speaks out of both sides of his mouth. Each and every time he is called out for that hypocrisy he has trashed the Ohio State fan base with the same strawman defense that you (people like BigBrownsFan above) keep swilling down without any critical thought whatsoever."

And to those of you who still believe ESPN is "unbiased" vs Ohio State, read the following link:

http://www.buckeyeplanet.com/forum/content/25891-ohio-state-football-espn-controversy-over-conduct.html

@bigbrownsfan said:

Wrong. He is the most objective one of the whole ESPN crew. Just because he doesn't swallow the OSU Kool Aid you guys hate him.

Irony.

Anytime OSU plays somebody in the top 25, he says they are going to lose. He is the first person to say that OSU is going to get upset, to lose a bowl game, ect. There is being overly objective to make it seem like you not rooting for your amla mater and then there is literally shitting on them every week on National TV regardless of the opponent. Lee Corso picks the Bucks to win more than Kirk does.

Hillis-iz-Boss said:

Kirk Herbstreet is the biggest buckeye hater of all time... and he xxxxing played for them!

Wrong. He is the most objective one of the whole ESPN crew. Just because he doesn't swallow the OSU Kool Aid you guys hate him.

Irony.

@b86b said:

Have you watched ESPN the last few years?? Their Buckeye love is sickening, reason why a lot of people hate them. Sick of hearing how "great" Osu is

Jeez....Mark May hates the Buckeyes. I guess you never noticed?

He hates OSU, Notre Dame, & Michigan, just to be clear.

@b86b said:

Have you watched ESPN the last few years?? Their Buckeye love is sickening, reason why a lot of people hate them. Sick of hearing how "great" Osu is

That is because OSU IS GREAT. So what? Don't like it? Bugger off.

mikeyP72 said:

Sounds good

I'll admit I've jumped on the bandwaggon of hating USC and laughing as their sanctions and turmoil flared up. I guess I can understand- A LOT of people are happy OSU is in this situation. It comes with the territory. No one likes the Buckeyes, in the press, or anywhere for that matter. For some reason everyone hates Ohio. It will be easy to pile on top of the Bucks.

It's all opinions too like you said. None of us are lawyers (well maybe Gipper is) or actually deal in NCAA bylaws. None of us are in these decision making positions, none of us are in these guys shoes while they're in school being promised the world and given handouts left and right. I know for certain that it would be hard for me to turn down the stuff... I probably would have been A LOT less blatant and smarter about it... Why be flamboyant and expect not to get caught?

Have you watched ESPN the last few years?? Their Buckeye love is sickening, reason why a lot of people hate them. Sick of hearing how "great" Osu is

@feartheroo said:

The thing that pisses me off the most about this is that Pryor's agent had the nerve to say that NCAA is like slavery. Now to me this crossed the line and showed how idiotic they both are. First of all, how many slaves got $100,000++ scholarships to college and all expenses paid (food, books, dorms). Yeah just like football players calling the NFL slavery too, when they make MILLIONS. Apparently in this day and age, race has to be brought up in every situation. Lebron shits on the city of Cleveland, so everyone who hates him is a racist. Pryor got busted for doing something stupid, NCAA is racist. NFL players getting paid millions, racist.

Makes a whole lot of sense to me...if Tim Tebow would have done the same thing, he would face the same penalties.

There is a solution to that: the NFL or the NCAA can simply tell these guys: "fine, you believe this is like slavery? You are free to pursue your life and your career wherever it makes you happy. We absolve any and all connection with you. Go out in the world and make whatever you want of yourself. You just are not going to do it here.

You are Free. Scream it from the Mountaintops."

Makes a whole lot of sense to me...if Tim Tebow would have done the same thing, he would face the same penalties.

@ballpeen said:

You might want to provide your proof to the NCAA.

That's just it. Cash transactions are hard to prove. Yet they for sure happen. As someone mentioned, at some of these schools the players parking lots look like a CEO convention was going on.

@the-gipper said:

Here is why: because these kids, in order to get money had to sell their trinkets. The kids in many or most other programs in the country don't have to sell their trinkets to get money because they are being given money hand over fist under the table.

You might want to provide your proof to the NCAA.