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ok...Im gonna explain this once...The WCO sets are mostly 2 WR's...1 RB 2 TE's or 2 WR's 2 RB's 1 TE's...very rarely do you see 3 and 4 WR's in the formations of the WCO. If Robo and Momass dont get it together. You will see lots of Evan Moore at WR and Little and or Mitchell. Book it!

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I doubt we'll see many 2 TE formations. That's rare these days. I would take Robo and have him play almost like a TE either line up as a TE or have him off the line of scrimmage and not between the line and a wide out. Little will be a starter! Cribs is not a wide out and don't kill me for saying this but he isn't what he was a returner either.

Just decided I'm going to the pre-season game against the Lions.

If you do you are dreaming, these mercenaries for the most part have the luxury of picking who they want to play for and most of the time they want to go to the option that gives them the best chance of showcasing their skills and winning, they do not want to be on a transition team like the browns to where they dont know if they have the support cast or even if they will have the same coaching staff next year...

I will say this, many of the guys tom heckert is bringing in come off to to me as perhaps being way underestimated when watching available footage, yeah they are not well known or going to put the browns all over the current nfl network spotlight but some of them will most certainly prove to be huge upgrades and some will be solid additions and some of course will not to make the cut..

We really need to evaluate the new systems and see what we have and what we will still need to be somewhat competitive this year and yet be staying young and growing, heckert has summed this up numerous times and has made it quite clear at least to me that we will be building from the draft and that he will only bring in FA players if he feels they can fit in and benefit the system and even then only if both the money and age are right..

I have braced myself for the likely hood of a ruff transition year but i can still remain optimistic that maybe we at least have a good coach and maybe we have a talented GM and maybe we can win 8 games because right now we really dont have any idea of exactly what we have and what we need..

Dont forget we will get another crack at FA later and heckert/shurmur will have a much better view as to what we need to be as competitive as we can be.

@roach said:

As of this morning, Braylon is still out there. (i'm not kidding)

Shows you what the rest of the league thinks about his talents- or lack thereof. Randy Moss is still out there too- hell, let's bring in both of them!! Just kidding.

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It does not take a football guru to see the obvious. Robiske would not make another nfl roster let alone have a chance to start. Cribbs is a return guy, sad thing is he was our best threat last year.. momass would be great on a team with a solid number 1...

The fact of the matter is, we had a chance to get better at wr with out throwing out a huge contract and didn't. When the season starts and you see how pethetic our wrs are, who will you blame then??? Brian daboll??? Terry robiske??? Lindy infante???

Prediction... our wrs will suck so bad, that mccoy will look terrible. We will have no idea if mccoy is the guy so we will not be able to evaluate him..

Heckert and holgrem are idiots....

@hillis4mayor1 said:

The thing that is extra frustrating is that I keep hearing browns fans state that a team like us doesnt need Free Agents, cuz we aren't on the cusp, But last season we played a tough schedule and where in alot of the games we lost. This season I was expecting us to sign some depth and maybe some veterans to fill some holes on are roster. We have a much easier schedule than last season, So is heckert and holmgren trying to get a high draft pick? Its gonna be tough for us to beat the bengals for that top pick if that is there plan!

To think any team doesn't need FA's is ridiculous. That being said there's a difference between filling holes with free agency and dishing out long term contracts and big money for the top FA's.

Before the lockout ended a thread came up about peoples wishlists, and so many people had one of the top 5 players from each position. Not only is this highly unrealistic, it's counter productive.

Yes our receivers are slow, but does anybody here know for fact how they will be able to produce with a better offensive system and more consistent qb play? No, because it is impossible to.

So instead of signing a sims-walker or rice, why dont we evaluate what we have, and if all of them prove to be lacking in whatever way and they don't cut it, cut them. Trade them. Don't resign them. But don't make hasty moves based on a limited timeframe with the least wr offensive coordinator I have seen in any level of football, Canadian or American.

Do I think we need to sign depth players on defense? Absolutely. Do I think we should have signed a madden equivalency of a 80-85 rated defensive end and a solid nickel corner? Yup. Do I think Tom Heckert knows more about football than all of the posters on this board combined? Yessum.

It's ok to wine. It's ok to criticize? AbsoF***inglutely. Just do it intelligently people. That's all I ask

@blowe said:

Did you guys ever stop and think "Holmgren and Heckert know the game of football infinitely better than you or I so maybe they don't like the FA market this year and are waiting until next year?" No, you didn't. We don't need to hit a salary floor as a team, it is league-wide. As long as all the teams collectively spend 90% of the salary cap we are good. Maybe we are holding out until next year. This is going to be a brutal season with a young coach/QB.. so let's be patient because if you would open your eyes to the mid-long term future you would realize that H & H are building something that we have not had since the Browns came back into the league. Then again, bitching, moaning, and showing all around immaturity takes a lot less energy than being patient so do what you please.

of course i did. i like heckert and think he's the best GM we've had since being reinstated. holmgren to me is over-rated but again that's my opinion. and i think i should be able to voice my opinion as part of this forum. sure i don't like the way some people come off with the way they state their views, but that's their right.

do we have a running list of people on the board who have the right to come off as assholes and others that don't? that's all i'm saying. don't jump down a guy's throat because he thinks the FO should be doing more. and diehard: we've got preseason games starting in less than 2 weeks, so when is it ok to start complaining?

i've stated in either this thread or others related that i wasn't expecting our FO to throw huge money at some used up vet, but was hoping they'd fill the holes not addressed by the draft. that's it. if that makes me sound inmature or bitchy you must be the most sensitive person in the world.

Embarassing will be when we play the steelers and ravens this year..

We have cap money, why not sign a stop gap wr??? Mike simms-walker signed a 1 year deal with the rams. What would it hurt to make moves like this???

I'm telling you last year everyone said we had the slowest wrs in the nfl, do you think they will run faster in the west coast offense?? If so your probably the same dueche bags who baught the reebok pumps to make you jump higher

hey, and you could all be eating shit if he turns out to be right. wouldn't that suck?

BTW when is it alright to bitch about something you don't agree with? do we have to check in with you guys first? what makes you the true browns' fans? pompous asses.

@blowe said:

stop sounding like such a whiny little bitch. it is getting old real quick

No sh!t. Embarrassing.

@wrrebel said:

considering were counting on momass or mitchell to have a break out year it isnt good. People will stack the line of scrimmage and Hillis will be worn down or hurt..

As of this morning, Braylon is still out there. (i'm not kidding)

@blowe said:

stop sounding like such a whiny little bitch. it is getting old real quick

Agreed

@wrrebel said:

Yeah maybe we should bring in bobby ingram again....

Way to go heckert and holgrem. Way to show us you want to win

stop sounding like such a whiny little bitch. it is getting old real quick

Way to go heckert and holgrem. Way to show us you want to win

plaindealer.com 12:45 AM

CLEVELAND -- Browns receiver Josh Cribbs suffered a left knee or leg injury in practice this morning when a defensive back came down on his leg in one-on-one drills. He sat out the rest of the practice and wore an ice bag on the knee for some of it.

He was heading in to see the doctors and will probably undergo and MRI.

He might miss some practice, but should be okay for the first preseason game Aug. 13.

"I didn't want to press through it and risk missing a preseason game,'' said Cribbs. "If I was a young guy trying to make the team, maybe I wouldn't have come off, but I don't reallly know what's wrong. It's strained.''

Cribbs said the defensive back landed on the knee and he felt something right away. "I'll know more after I talk to the doctors,'' he said.

Fellow receiver Carlton Mitchell also left the field with what coach Pat Shurmur called "a shoulder episode'' leaving the team thin at receiver. Starter Mohamed Massaquoi is wearing a hard walking cast on his left foot and is out for at least a little while. He's on the non-footbal injury list.

The injuries have opened the door for rookie receiver Greg Little, the team's second-round pick out of North Carolina, to receive first-team reps. He's currently in the starting lineup alongside Brian Robiskie.

"I think the fact that I played in the West Coast offense in college has helped me to be able to move up and work with the ones,'' said Little.

In other Browns news:

* First-round pick Phil Taylor, the defensive tackle, is still holding out in a contract dispute. Apparently, the two sides are still talking. A source said the deal could be done very soon.

* Tight end Ben Watson suffered what's believed to be a concussion on Saturday. He sat out Sunday and watched practice in a ballcap.

* New acquisitions Broderick Bunkley, the defensive tackle from Philadelphia, and John Greco, the guard from St. Louis, were not yet on the field today.

* Free agent signee Jayme Mitchell, the defensive end, was supposed to arrive in town today but was not in attendance. He's not allowed to start practicing until Aug. 4, the start of the league year.

* Running back Montario Hardesty has looked solid and has held up well through some spirited drills. Pads go on for the first time tomorrow.

* The Browns might need to look for some outside help at receiver because of the injuries.

@wrrebel said:

considering were counting on momass or mitchell to have a break out year it isnt good. People will stack the line of scrimmage and Hillis will be worn down or hurt..

Already assuming the new offensive system won't allow our receivers to be more productive?

Dabolls offense last year was the most pathetic p.o.s. I had ever seen in the NFL and any other system would have better showcases the talent of out receivers

Do we have a top 10 wideout? F*** no. Do we have more multiple NFL caliber receivers? I believe so, but none of us will really know until we see them in regular game action

Don't forget about Little either, I think he'll be a stud in the slot for us this year with much bigger things for him outside in the future