@silverback said:

I'm really surprised to see so many of you saying you want Vontaze Burfict. He is a mean dude, hard hitter, plays on the edge of the rules, has been known to injure other players, and some would say he is just downright dirty. Brufict is the exact type of player so many of you profess to hate when they are on other teams.

I'm confused. Do Browns fans like tough physical football or not? Seems like they just like hard hitters when they are on the Browns (Ward hit on Shipley) and dirty play (Turkey Jones) and not on other teams (Harrison hits on Massengil and Cribbs)

We like when Browns players play tough physical football. We also like it when stupid, dirty Steeler players get bitch slapped by the league. Obviously the league and the other NFL players believe the Steelers are the dirtiest. They are the most fined team in the league and one player has even won a vote of other NFL players as the dirtiest in the league.

If Browns players do something wrong, they just take their lumps from the league, pay their fine, do their tme and then go about their business. They don't whine to the media, or whine on twitter or whine to their mommies, or vote against the CBA because of it.

Hillis-iz-Boss said:

How much do you think the 1st round pick next year would be worth? Ricky Williams was worth 1 1/2 drafts so how much would a team have to give up for Luck.

That had more to do with Ditka's stupidity than actual market value but yeah, it would take a lot to move up.

@jrb12711 said:

all I know about the 2012 draft as of right now, IMO. if we stink it up and are around the top 5, we need to trade the farm for Andrew Luck. I'm saying that solely based on what I've seen of last year and making a hopefully wrong assumption Colt doesn't show promise. Of course, many people (not me I might add) were sold on Jake Locker last year and you saw what happened. So who knows, i think it's way too early to think about this without watching the guys play

Of course, for all we know the evaluation of Locker after his junior year may have been dead right. He may come in and kill it in the NFL. (and contrariwise, Cam Newtom may become a bust)

But, keep eyes on Travis Lewis, OLB Oklahoma.

I'm confused. Do Browns fans like tough physical football or not? Seems like they just like hard hitters when they are on the Browns (Ward hit on Shipley) and dirty play (Turkey Jones) and not on other teams (Harrison hits on Massengil and Cribbs)

@hoorta said:

So does any team in the NFL without a legit starting qb. I'll predict the Bungles are going to stink it up badly enough this year to have the #1 pick, and they won't trade out of it regardless of what anyone else offers them. Even should the Browns draft top 5, our two first rounders and a second won't be enough to move up to #1.

Assuming the Browns draft out of the top ten, it will be a LB or CB with the first pick.

yea, stuff like this is why it's just too hard to really say anything about it until about march of next year. I mean, what if a team like say the titans tanks this year? do you really think they'd invest two high 1st rounders on QB's in two years? It's nearly impossible to say, but I'll i'm saying is as of today Luck is worth 2 first round picks and a 3rd or 4th.

@pizzadeliveryguy said:

I like Andrew Luck.

So does any team in the NFL without a legit starting qb. I'll predict the Bungles are going to stink it up badly enough this year to have the #1 pick, and they won't trade out of it regardless of what anyone else offers them. Even should the Browns draft top 5, our two first rounders and a second won't be enough to move up to #1.

Assuming the Browns draft out of the top ten, it will be a LB or CB with the first pick.

@jrb12711 said:

all I know about the 2012 draft as of right now, IMO. if we stink it up and are around the top 5, we need to trade the farm for Andrew Luck. I'm saying that solely based on what I've seen of last year and making a hopefully wrong assumption Colt doesn't show promise. Of course, many people (not me I might add) were sold on Jake Locker last year and you saw what happened. So who knows, i think it's way too early to think about this without watching the guys play

I agree about Luck. If we tank next year, it will be because of Colt not living up to our expectations (but that never happens to us....) in which case you do whatever possible to get him. That will be a boatload harder this coming year tho, based on the pure talent of the kid along with the new rookie wage scale making that top pick far less risky and expensive. That means a lot more teams willing to take that chance.

I also agree that a lot could change in a season, and many of the top prospects could completely fall off the radar and vice versa. Other than Minnifeild which has obvious sentimental value, my picks are mostly position based.

I should have said, with our first pick i hope we take the best available middle/strongside linebacker. Someone who can obviously stuff the run, but also has the ability to get after the QB, giving Dick more flexibility with his blitz packages.

Our second pick is still Minnifeild. If nothing else I know our defense is going to be special here soon and i just want him to be a part of it. How major is up to him.

With the second rounder I guess it depends on how our WR's pan out this year. I'm about 50/50 on whether we have a #2 wideout on our roster currently. If not we should take another tall, physical wr. I see this being a deep wr class, so there will be good options to play opposite Little.

There aren't any safeties with a first round grade on them right now, which could obviously change. But if either Lester or Armstrong are still on the board (or another unamed safety that could emerge) mid to late second, I would be ecstatic with that pick. If the safeties aren't worth the pick, best available end would be just as good.

We fill those holes, and I REALLY like how this team is looking. A couple more role players in free agency, and adding competitive depth with the later picks and not only do we have talent at every position on our roster, but young talent, with depth at more positions than I've ever seen this team have.

And yes, this is based on my assumption that colt succeeds in his sophomore year, leaving us at about a 7-9 9-7 record which I know is far from a given

Vontaze Burfict

ND Kid

LaMichael James

Alshon Jeffery

Justin Blackmon

RT

Andrew Luck (If we are in position to get him, I can't imagine Colt as have having a very good season)

DE

Trade our 3rd and one of our 4ths to get back in the second to take ray-ray Armstrong

Rounds 4-5 Id like to see a burner rb, like 4.35 or slightly slower, another smaller, athletic, undersized d-end

Then 6-7 are more fill spots depending on what we don't grab in free agency

1.Chase Minnifeild-Son of former Browns great and one of the top players at the CB Position,seen alot of tape on him and i like him better than other CB in this class and its a great one.

2.Justin Blackmon/Alshon Jeffery-These two both are beasts and will be top 10 picks perhaps.

3.Vontaze Burfict LB, ARZ ST.-He has a mean streak but if he can control think young Ray Lewis.

4.Manti Te'o, OLB, Notre Dame

5.Luke Kuechly, ILB, Boston College-Has been graded out as the best ILB prospect since Patrick Willis.

Ill add more later but these are off the top of my head and should be excatly the players the Browns need.