McCoy, Hardesty, Pinkston, Lavau, Taylor, Sheard, Haden, Ward, Little, Mitchell, Hillis, Watson, Brown, Gocong and Fujita....

All of these players are the result of H & H either in the draft, by trades or in free agency.. Thats 15 players out of the starting 22.. We havent seen this much influx of quality players here in Cleveland for a long time if ever.... If this trend keeps up can you imagine what we'll look like after next years draft and free agency signings???

Another point, none of these new players have experienced much losing in their careers... All have come from winning programs and losing is not a part of their makeup... Winning breeds winning, winning good or winning ugly, just winning.... We're one of the youngest team in the league and our future looks very bright....

Be patient this year, the rooks are gonna make some mistakes but the one thing you wont see is them giving up... This is a 60 minute team and you better be prepared to battle when you get on the field with them..... Last year we would have lost this game, maybe our fortunes are changing right before our eyes.... I'm lovin' it.................

Peace

T.Dawg

@hoorta said:

One thing I like about Shurmur- he's putting the best guys out on the field, rookie or not. We saw a lot of Patterson yesterday, and I think we'll see a lot more. Skrine has shown some promise too. It's getting pretty obvious Sheldon Brown doesn't have the speed to be a starting CB anymore.

And ditto that about Slowbiski. Had one ball thrown his way- yeah, tough catch, but the guy doesn't belong on the field anymore. Starting wrs should be MoMass, Little, and Cribbs in the slot.

Well, I think pretty much this year Robo IS at best the 4th WR, if not less. In fact, here are the stats so far this year for the Browns:

Age Pos G GS Att Yds TD Lng Y/A Y/G A/G Rec Yds Y/R TD Lng R/G Y/G YScm RRTD Fmb

40 Peyton Hillis 25 RB 2 2 44 151 2 24 3.4 75.5 22.0 10 53 5.3 0 19 5.0 26.5 204 2 1

31 Montario Hardesty 24 RB 3 1 22 86 0 19 3.9 28.7 7.3 3 19 6.3 0 10 1.0 6.3 105 0 1

12 Colt McCoy 24 QB 3 3 8 19 0 9 2.4 6.3 2.7 1 -5 -5.0 0 -5 0.3 -1.7 14 0 2

48 Owen Marecic 23 FB 3 3 2 4 0 3 2.0 1.3 0.7 2 13 6.5 0 9 0.7 4.3 17 0 1

35 Armond Smith 25 RB 3 0 2 2 0 6 1.0 0.7 0.7 2 0 0

16 Josh Cribbs 28 WR 3 2 1 -3 0 -3 -3.0 -1.0 0.3 7 103 14.7 1 33 2.3 34.3 100 1 0

82 Ben Watson 31 TE 3 2 0 0 0 0 0.0 0.0 10 125 12.5 1 34 3.3 41.7 125 1 0

15 Greg Little 22 WR 3 1 0 0 0 0 0.0 0.0 8 74 9.3 0 18 2.7 24.7 74 0 0

11 Mohamed Massaquoi 25 WR 3 3 0 0 0 0 0.0 0.0 8 148 18.5 1 56 2.7 49.3 148 1 0

89 Evan Moore 26 TE 3 0 0 0 0 0 0.0 0.0 6 70 11.7 2 17 2.0 23.3 70 2 0

81 Alex Smith 29 TE 3 0 0 0 0 0 0.0 0.0 4 28 7.0 0 9 1.3 9.3 28 0 0

10 Jordan Norwood 25 WR 3 0 0 0 0 0 0.0 0.0 1 6 6.0 0 6 0.3 2.0 6 0 0

The red are the number of receptions. Note that Robo doesn't have one catch in 3 games.

@4browns said:

That would be something you don't see very often for a 5th round pick to become a starter at CB as a rookie. Skrine has been impressive at times, he does have great speed and plays with an attitude. Patterson has made a few plays too, good pickup. The defense has been pretty good so far. Keeping the Titans running attack under control next weekend is going to be a challenge.

We need an explosive WR. None of our current guys demand a double team, we have a lot of good second and third recievers. If we had "that guy" at wr, I think you would see the field open up a bit more for MoMass, Cribbs and even Robiskie.

Man, we have the wrong OSU reciever. Hartline is a good player. Dolphins got him in the 4th round.

One thing I like about Shurmur- he's putting the best guys out on the field, rookie or not. We saw a lot of Patterson yesterday, and I think we'll see a lot more. Skrine has shown some promise too. It's getting pretty obvious Sheldon Brown doesn't have the speed to be a starting CB anymore.

And ditto that about Slowbiski. Had one ball thrown his way- yeah, tough catch, but the guy doesn't belong on the field anymore. Starting wrs should be MoMass, Little, and Cribbs in the slot.

We need an explosive WR. None of our current guys demand a double team, we have a lot of good second and third recievers. If we had "that guy" at wr, I think you would see the field open up a bit more for MoMass, Cribbs and even Robiskie.

Man, we have the wrong OSU reciever. Hartline is a good player. Dolphins got him in the 4th round.

@the-gipper said:

Isn't Buster Skrine a CB? If so, maybe he and Browns will soon switch jobs. Skrine the starter, Brown the nickel?

@4browns said:

Hardesty played well. Colt got it done when it mattered. I was holding my head when he missed Cribbs behind the defense in the first quarter. Our two big tackles are clogging the line of scrimmage a lot.

Right tackle stll shaky but better than the first two games. We are going to need to hit on another cornerback in next years draft, Brown is playing hard but he looks to have lost a half step. Could use another outside LB with some speed.

The excessive celebration call was BS. That and the horsecollar is how we usually lose the game on a last second field goal. Props to the defense there. Im happy, we won!

Isn't Buster Skrine a CB? If so, maybe he and Browns will soon switch jobs. Skrine the starter, Brown the nickel?

Its even better to know this team is so young and are only going to gain more confidence from this and improve,i really feel like we are putting the peices together now to build a Championship caliber team.It feels good to be a Browns fan.

Every game will yield experience and improvements in specific areas and every game will also be hard lessons learned for other areas of the team..

We have a genuine rebuild underway and it shows in the form of "growing pains"..

Positives:

Our defense is looking formidable as the rooks are improving and getting decisively more involved..

Jauron is doing a good all round job..

Hardesty looked very good for his first nfl start..

We are 2-1 for the first time since 2002!

Cribbs and little..

Negatives:

The offensive playcalling by shurmur is lackluster and sometimes questionable and it often simply fails to provide a means to an end or impress or even imply that a WCO system is in place to much of the time..

The right side of the o-line needs to be fixed asap, the pressure on colt is affecting the very growth of this offense unit, neither hicks or cousins is the solution, heckert needs to get off his ass and address this issue now before colt is seriously injured..

No speedy WR plays intensely into the above complaints along with colt having to hold on to the ball to long due to no seperation and having no where to roll out to, robiskie stinks and momass is overall average at his very best with poor awareness to boot, we need some vertical speed and some matching vertical playcalling desperately, the nickel and dime approach cant and wont work without speed to spread defenses..

Mangini strangled this offense and i dont see shurmur doing much to improve upon the concept of WCO or moving the ball vertically..

I realize it takes time to install and then build an effective and efficient new offense but i am starting to develop question marks about shurmurs coordinating and heckerts reluctance or ability to improve certain areas so this team can grow..

This offense just looks stuck in the mud and the playcalling is often inappropriate and somewhat over conservative and colt sometimes appears to be regressing under shurmurs tutelage..

Everyone we've drafted in the last two years

Everyone we've signed in the last two years

Perrenial Studs: Cribbs, Thomas and Mack

Gocong

Negatives:

Colt had an off game or something isn't clicking with the offence. Does anyone have tapes of the games last year against New England and Pittsburg. I mean our offence was unstoppable and made their way up the field quickly, again and again. I think they need to look at Colt in those games and understand what was being done that generated so many yards through the air. However, some of the plays in the last two minutes were phenominal.

I thought Jackson had his worst games of the season.

With the two exceptions above (Thomas + mack) the rest of the O'Line needs a lot of help.

Our punter. One really bad punt and two that he angled out of bounds at the 20.

Robiskie (Cribbes and MoMass had equally difficult catches and came down with the ball).

With Colt not playing well, and without Hillis, we were really fotunate to win this one. But overall, I don't give the offence a good grade.

WR's made plays today...it was fun to watch

d-line, haden and ward are just fun this year..thanks dick jauron.

Negatives: excessive celebration calls...that one on massqoui is xxxxing ridiculous. get it together NFL way too many cheese ball rules to allow the refs to control the game.

cant you remeber vickers being lights out from the first time he stepped on the field?

@beefjerky said:

most of what has been said, but I dislike the routes and generally the play calling, that needs to improve.

mccoy is playing too conservative or having too many conservative play calls(Kosar mentioned the same thing about Shurmur). it makes it feel like I'll never see a 400 yard passing game from Mccoy, let alone 300 at this point.

and like others said, I've been saying since before the season even began that Little needs to be starting, with deep routes called for him.

I like how Hardesty played, he had a quick burst on a lot of his runs that got us first downs, that was good and I hope they utilize him more now when Hillis is back, splitting it even or close to even (60/40).

Marecic should never be on the field, let one of the TEs take his place, he doesn't block any better than Alex smith would.

there's a lot of work to do with this team, but it's definitely improving.

glad to have the win.

Seriously still with the Marecic hate? He did not have a bad game and if you think Smith blocks just as good as he does then your crazy.

@alporcini said:

Unquestionable Positive:

ATLANTA LOST AGAIN TODAY!!!!!!

Maybe that first round pick is going to be that much more valuable after all.

Falcons look mighty shaky.

+1 lol caught me out of left field.

ATLANTA LOST AGAIN TODAY!!!!!!

Maybe that first round pick is going to be that much more valuable after all.

Falcons look mighty shaky.

Negatives: (not today)

NEGATIVES: We Won by Only 1 Point.

Seriously, Rubin, Taylor, Sheard and Mitchel played great and they're gonna get better.. Gocong was chasing all over the field and Jackson was making plays in the oponnents backfield.. Hadens a beast and some of the rookies are following suit... The last two drafts were great, can you imagine what we'll look like after next years draft and free agent signings???

We've finally seen what Hardesty brings and I like it...

McCoy didn't have a great game and in fact he had a poor game but when the chips were down he manned up and did what had to be done.. Maybe the WCO with a no huddle concept plays more into McCoys hands...

Once again, last year we would have lost this game.........

Peace

T.Dawg

mccoy is playing too conservative or having too many conservative play calls(Kosar mentioned the same thing about Shurmur). it makes it feel like I'll never see a 400 yard passing game from Mccoy, let alone 300 at this point.

and like others said, I've been saying since before the season even began that Little needs to be starting, with deep routes called for him.

I like how Hardesty played, he had a quick burst on a lot of his runs that got us first downs, that was good and I hope they utilize him more now when Hillis is back, splitting it even or close to even (60/40).

Marecic should never be on the field, let one of the TEs take his place, he doesn't block any better than Alex smith would.

there's a lot of work to do with this team, but it's definitely improving.

glad to have the win.

Right tackle stll shaky but better than the first two games. We are going to need to hit on another cornerback in next years draft, Brown is playing hard but he looks to have lost a half step. Could use another outside LB with some speed.

The excessive celebration call was BS. That and the horsecollar is how we usually lose the game on a last second field goal. Props to the defense there. Im happy, we won!

Negatives....officiating. I've never seen a defense called for roughing the passer when he didn't throw the ball. Also, the "excessive celebration" penalty after MoMass' TD was total BS.

GO BROWNS!! Protect the home turf!!

Agreed sheldon was getting beat like a red headed step child.

Our right side of the oline is putrid. Orien harris is shit.

Our defense is the surpise for sure. Dline has impressed me.. we need some lbs for sure but haden is great...

I would like the browns to play with the urgency they had the last drive..