@rich4eagle said:

It is funny you missed the Steeler model completely, especially the idiot fans part while ignoring how more ignorant our fans are, but , and the Steelers even wrote a book about it............................but that is why we Browns fans have lost all identilty with winning and continue year after year justtify a strategy of losing.......................and our management bought into to fans stupidity while Steeler Management just keeps doing what it takes to win...........................mostly opposite of Browns strategy

Actually, it is YOU who has missed the Steeler model....i.e. the Steeler model of the 2000s, not the 1970s. That team had everything else IN PLACE, then plugged in the final piece at QB.

The 2005 Steelers could have won the SB with Pinochio as the QB....and fact, they virtually did. Now, that Pinochio went on later to become a real boy....i.e. a real QB...but their model was to build up an outstanding defense and run game, then worry about the passing attack as the last item on their agenda...and THAT is what the Steeler management did to win.

Sorry, but you seem to be lost in that fog out in San Fran over this.

@the-gipper said:

You follow the Steeler model. Despite having many idiot fans, the Steelers organization certainly knows what it is doing.

You build up the rest of that team, particularly the defense and running game. And you live with the QB you have. If the Steelers could live with Kordell Stewart and Tommy Maddox while building up the championship caliber team, the Browns can live with Colt McCoy.

When they got BR as a rookie, they went 15-1. And BR in his first couple of years was a below average at best QB, but they went 15-1 and then won the SB.

If after another year or two and McCoy looks more like Maddox than Montana, then you bring in your franchise QB in the first round.

FYI, all the QBs that are expected to be at the top of the draft in 2012 could actually all stay in school for another year including Luck, Barkley, Landry Jone, Robert Griffin etc. etc. I doubt they all will, but they could. So we don't know who will be available in April 2013's draft.

It is funny you missed the Steeler model completely, especially the idiot fans part while ignoring how more ignorant our fans are, but , and the Steelers even wrote a book about it............................but that is why we Browns fans have lost all identilty with winning and continue year after year justtify a strategy of losing.......................and our management bought into to fans stupidity while Steeler Management just keeps doing what it takes to win...........................mostly opposite of Browns strategy

@tampadawgs said:

How many times do I have to say we need to draft

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But, I can see drafting a guy in the second round, or third, if you find a kid you can develop behind Colt for a year or two.

Did you all see last nights game? Ratbirfds vs Jags? Those two qb's can't hold a candle to Colt - they make crap decisions,

and although Gabbert is a rookie, he doesn't have Colts' agility, mechanics, accuracy, or smarts.

The Jags won ugly. That's how the ratbirds and squeelers, and a lot of other teams... have won here and there.

The Browns' defense is #7 in the NFL was it? And Cincy, the stupid, ugly, stinkin ratbirfds and squeeeelers defenses are in the top six.

The Browns will NOT pick a qb in the first round, I think. Gip is right.

@junkyard-dawg said:

They're better prospects with stronger arms than McFrye.

No they aren't. None of those guys was considered better than McCoy coming out of college.

And certainly as we all know, a stronger arm is irrelevent.

Mike Phipps had a stronger arm than Brian Sipe. Who was the better QB?

Vinny Testaverde had a stronger arm than Bernie Kosar. Who was the better QB?

Derek Anderson had a bazooka arm and a bubble gum brain.

Jamarcus Russel could throw the ball 80 yards from his knees.

So much for relying on mere arm strength..

@the-gipper said:

And none of them are as good in college as Colt McCoy was....so just to change to bring someone new in doesn't mean you actually improve.

Agreed.

I dont like any of these guys..

@junkyard-dawg said:

1: Nick Foles

2: Matt Barkley

3: Landry Jones

I would be fine with any of the three. I'd also pass on the RB/Wannabe QB Robert Griffen.

And none of them are as good in college as Colt McCoy was....so just to change to bring someone new in doesn't mean you actually improve.

@junkyard-dawg said:

1: Nick Foles

2: Matt Barkley

3: Landry Jones

I would be fine with any of the three. I'd also pass on the RB/Wannabe QB Robert Griffen.

Like RB/Wannabe Cam Newton?

@mark-o said:

I don't disagree Gipper...but if Colt continues to struggle, what do we do at QB next year? Do we build up the rest of the team and go after an Orton or a Campbell or some other retread to come in and compete with Colt?

You follow the Steeler model. Despite having many idiot fans, the Steelers organization certainly knows what it is doing.

You build up the rest of that team, particularly the defense and running game. And you live with the QB you have. If the Steelers could live with Kordell Stewart and Tommy Maddox while building up the championship caliber team, the Browns can live with Colt McCoy.

When they got BR as a rookie, they went 15-1. And BR in his first couple of years was a below average at best QB, but they went 15-1 and then won the SB.

If after another year or two and McCoy looks more like Maddox than Montana, then you bring in your franchise QB in the first round.

FYI, all the QBs that are expected to be at the top of the draft in 2012 could actually all stay in school for another year including Luck, Barkley, Landry Jone, Robert Griffin etc. etc. I doubt they all will, but they could. So we don't know who will be available in April 2013's draft.

No, like I pointed out, there are about 8 other offensive positions and about 5-6 defensive positions that are a greater need for the Browns to solidify rather than QB at this point.

We need WRs, LBs, safeties, OL on the right side before we need to worry about another QB.

6'5" 240 lbs

Big, and has a strong arm.

if not give me Blackmon/Jeffrey/Broyles/Floyd and a RT and lets see what McCoy can do with a playmaker!!!

I think we have too many holes to fill to give up the entire draft for one player.

@buckeye_2391 said:

Given the following:

- Considering every single analysis and thier mother believe Luck is the second coming

- The way the leauge is taylored to the QB more than ever.

- Considering the talent level at the QB position for the browns

- Holgrem's recent comments.

- The revised CBA that changed the rookie pay scale.

Do you think he would consider selling the farm (draft picks and whatever talent we have) for Luck. Holgrem has been quoted as saying "It starts with the QB and until we have our guy we will continue to look for people at that position."

Common sense tells me that whoever gets the first pick would never consider trading it to any team, however, if it was a godfather offer, i.e. 1 & 2 for next two drafts and players, could we "trick" some team out of that pick?

I would try anything to get this years number one if my QB is not a playoff QB, and I am assuming that we all know who are playoff QBs in the league.

I put this in another thread, but I will post this here too. There has been no progress with Colt and Carolina was smart enough to go at QB again after the Clauson experiment failed. If Colt ends the season with his current level of play, would you try to sell the farm for Luck?

Griffith is not a one yr wonder