@hx214 said:

Fact of the matter is, they let a pro bowler walk who constantly sustained a solid running game on a sub par offense year after year (Harrison, Hillis) and pay money out to people like Fajita and Gocong.

When did Vickers make a pro bowl??

the amount of times we use the I is minute compared to dabolls offense.

and we gave a rookie an all-pros job cause said all-pro couldn't catch a bus, let alone a football. a one dimensional player just screams "we're running the ball!" in an already predictable offense.

@choco said:

vickers was a great fullback...im not disputing that. but we dont run a system that requires one....please understand that point before contending that our running game would be just fine with him still in the fold.

leave it to yall to compare a vet to the performance of a rookie with 8 games under his belt and point fingers.

I don't understand this logic at all. How many times a game do we run out of an I-formation in the WCO? His presence is missed. And of course we're going to compare the two because we gave an unproven rook an all-pro's job.

@choco said:

Yeah....a fullback is our xxxxing problem.

God you people sound like little bitches.

Its part of the problem. Its a sum of a lot of shitty parts makes a shitty product.

FB wasn't an issue but now it is.

Its only one small part but it contributes to the problem.

We're never going to be able to instantly fix the problem. Its hard enough to fill the holes we have but the idiots in the FO just made another one giving away Vickers.

leave it to yall to compare a vet to the performance of a rookie with 8 games under his belt and point fingers.

to anyone thinking vickers had nothing to do with hillis' career year last year is fxxking blind and dumb.

hey, how's hillis doing this year? before he got hurt? is it the coach? is it the contract dispute? i mean, hillis, is he still on the team?

vickers made hillis.

hillis is done. period.

@choco said:

Yeah....a fullback is our xxxxing problem.

God you people sound like little bitches.

Not having a fullback who can block really well is our problem.

God you people sound like little bitches.

@hoorta said:

No excuse on some of those runs- terrible defense.

I'm sure any teams D would be gassed before the first half was over too if your damn offense couldn't stay on the field for longer than 30 seconds at a time.

@clevelandwantsplayoffs said:

and a solid o-line? with a passing attack?

Steinbeck goes down and our Oline goes from A+ to D- eh?

The browns had a passing attack last year? Could have fooled me. Guess you were watching a different team.

Hillis-iz-Boss said:

The fact that they have two starting caliber HB's has nothing to do with it either.

And Hillis looked spec-xxxxing-tacular the games he played without him too right? But then again he isn't a starting caliber either right?

dude was a complete bust just like Vickers

@clevelandwantsplayoffs said:

and a solid o-line? with a passing attack?

No excuse on some of those runs- terrible defense.