@king-ghoolie-lives said:

You all need to get comfy with Shurmur because he will be the HC next year.

You need to get comfy with McCoy because he will be the QB next year.

Shurmur is the one that is failing to do what it takes to win which is to work to your player strengths, force feeding a predictable vanilla system does not work when you lack several key elements like speed and athleticism and you have a QB that does not look comfortable in the system..

I believe wallace would bring more excitement and he would likely throw the rock more often but would also without a doubt have many more picks and pick 6s since even LBs can hang with our WRs and often manage to disrupt the timing..

Colt needs to just let it rip and if it gets picked because one of the 2 or 3 guys drape covering the said WR that are faster than our WRs run in front and pick it off then its no big deal cuz that is exactly what is going to happen a lot once colt inevitably gets hurt and wallace takes over..

@king-ghoolie-lives said:

Well That's all about to change Sunday. Joshua Cribbs willbe wearing #32 and playing fullback. Watch out!

Yeah, right!

No, that number is retired.....but I would advocate that #16 line up in the backfield and be handed the ball a few times.....what can it hurt to try?

That isn't smart. That's all.

Ironically, the Browns' oline has sucked since 99....

all qb's go away eventually. But nice prediction. "doi"

Colt isn't Luck. Boo hoo baloney. This Browns fo knows football bigtime -

and if they do draft a qb in the first round, it will be a smart decision I figure.

Too many negative nellies horsin around here. The weaknesses that are killing

the Browns' offense... are not McCoy's fault. Every qb is imperfect.

The Browns WILL draft a RT. And again, Rich before you chime in with your baloney...

the squeeeelers drafted their bookend tackles, first round and second round. go look. The Browns need the right side.

Rich - your squeelers drafted their OLT in the 3rd round. They drafted their OLG in the 6th round. They drafted their center in the first round.

They drafted their ORT in the second round. You wanna bet they draft an ORG this coming draft?

Many plays have failed, and have nothing to do with McCoy in any way.

@slowburn said:

kind of hard to truly assess a qb when he is fighting for his life after a 3-4 step drop leaving him zero chance to bail out with the hot read.

The Browns have no offensive weapons so expect a contiued heavy dose of blitzing and stacking the box against the run ( if we had one).

i don't think there is an offensive line in the league that could withstand this level of constant pressure without stepping on their nutz like the Browns

do week in and out.

As far as shumur and his burnt toast offense, there is a reason he was an assistant coach in the league for 11 years. But, in all fairness, give the man at least a

year before the molatov cocktails start flyin

Amen.someone with a sane mind.

@rich4eagle said:

Good post so far Holmgrens drafting has BLOWN IT BIG TIME

Yeah Rich it's not Holmgren doing the drafting (who happened to make one pick- McCoy, starting qb). Care to tell me how Heckert has blown his drafting? I'll give you Hardesty so far. Wah, wah, we didn't draft Julio Jones. Forget there were questions about Jones' hands coming out? What if he had turned into Braylon II? And what if that 2012 first round pick we got from the Falcons turns into Justin Blackmon? Huh? Ever think about that? Go tell me how many games your super stud RB Adrian Peterson has won for the Vikings. If you say less than what McCoy has won for the Browns, go to the head of the class. OK, granted I didn't like the Browns getting rid of Vickers to draft Marecic either.

Haden- potential Pro Bowler. Ward- solid pickup. Little- shows promise, starting. Lauvao- starting. Taylor- starting. Sheard- starting. Pinkston- starting. Marecic- starting. Skrine- good 3rd corner, starting potential.

What the hell do you want out of Heckert Rich? Draft 4 Hall of Famers in one year like the Steelers did in the 70s?

It would be 3 and outs all day. Eventually, you have to man up and try to make plays, despite

not having the talent around you that a lot of other teams have.

For instance, this talk about Cam ? Go Google the Panthers on yahoo sports,

and look at their depth chart. The Panthers have DRAFTED EVERY SINGLE STARTER

on their offensive line. It's a team game, you have to build the entire set of players with the right players.

No more drafting based solely on youtube videos, and paper reports. The Browns still need some

FOOTBALL PLAYERS who love the game, and intensely want to win. Anything else, and you don't have a team,

you have a bunch of square pegs in round holes who really don't give a flying whoopee about much more than

their own paychecks and good times.

@pumpkin-eater said:

Uh Newton has Steve Smith to throw to and DeAngelo Williams and Jon Stewart to run the ball. They actually have weapons.

These "weapons" were on the team last year. How many games did they win? How did Jimmy Clausen look last year? Terrible. Same weapons different QB. The QB is the difference maker. Enough of the excuses. We need a new QB.

@rams-fan said:

To Colts' defense though, it's hard for a young QB to be sucessful when you can't run the ball effectively. He is simply not good enough to win these games on his arm. You have to take some of the pressure off of him. Bradford is not good enough to win games with his arm, as he proved against AZ. He overthrew wide open recievers for possible TD's or huge gains down to the red zone 3 different times, in a game in which our defense dominated plus got 2 safeties. So in Bradfords case, he just needs to get better, period. McCoy needs to improve in the same way, but he also needs weapons. He's having to do too much for you guys. When Chris Ogbannya is your starting RB, thats not good. But hey, your 2nd year QB has won 3 games this year, ours has won 0. And I would say the Rams have a better offense than the Browns. So what does that say about Colt? So IMHO Colt just needs more time. But if Holmgren wants to keep drafting til he finds a superstar, more power to him.

Lets put it this way ... Comparing the physical aspects of both Bradford and Colt ... Bradford has a higher ceiling than Colt.

@brownindian said:

We have MoMass, Little, Mitchel and Norwood and Evan Moore, Ben Watson !!!!!

lol

@rams-fan said:

To Colts' defense though, it's hard for a young QB to be sucessful when you can't run the ball effectively. He is simply not good enough to win these games on his arm. You have to take some of the pressure off of him. Bradford is not good enough to win games with his arm, as he proved against AZ. He overthrew wide open recievers for possible TD's or huge gains down to the red zone 3 different times, in a game in which our defense dominated plus got 2 safeties. So in Bradfords case, he just needs to get better, period. McCoy needs to improve in the same way, but he also needs weapons. He's having to do too much for you guys. When Chris Ogbannya is your starting RB, thats not good. But hey, your 2nd year QB has won 3 games this year, ours has won 0. And I would say the Rams have a better offense than the Browns. So what does that say about Colt? So IMHO Colt just needs more time. But if Holmgren wants to keep drafting til he finds a superstar, more power to him.

Good post so far Holmgrens drafting has BLOWN IT BIG TIME

@rich4eagle said:

and none of them make the field stretched

If they are able to run 10 - 15 yard routes, even that should be fine ... it is not like the O-Line gives Colt enough time to throw anyway. I want to see Colt throwing away the ball before he gets sacked ... If it is a drop then so be it, but it seems like the way he is hanging on to the ball it is only a question of time before some one injures him real bad !

The Browns have no offensive weapons so expect a contiued heavy dose of blitzing and stacking the box against the run ( if we had one).

i don't think there is an offensive line in the league that could withstand this level of constant pressure without stepping on their nutz like the Browns

do week in and out.

As far as shumur and his burnt toast offense, there is a reason he was an assistant coach in the league for 11 years. But, in all fairness, give the man at least a

year before the molatov cocktails start flyin

@bringbackbrownie2 said:

That seems like a fair assessment based on what we have seen so far. My point is Holmgren just brought in Heckert and Shurmur so there is no way either leaves next year.

Not arguing but Shurmur is way underachieving as is Holmgren and Heckert so far has been a moderate success except for pissing away Julio Jones which they all are to blame

@rich4eagle said:

Well, my thought right now is Holmgren is in retirement and Heckert is a keeper so far, and Shurmer..............thanks and dont let the door hit you on the way out

That seems like a fair assessment based on what we have seen so far. My point is Holmgren just brought in Heckert and Shurmur so there is no way either leaves next year.

@king-ghoolie-lives said:

You all need to get comfy with Shurmur because he will be the HC next year.

Holmgren is not going to publicly admit he fubared on the HC choice. He WILL blame the losing on internal issues, he will stick by his coaching decision and Heckert will be gone.

So let it be written, so let it be said

You guys think like fans, not like men who have ever held an executive position

I don't think for a moment that Heckert will be gone....unless Heckert chooses to leave. But I agree with you, Holmgren will not likely admit he FUBARed the HC choice and Shurmur will be here at least 2 years.

@bringbackbrownie2 said:

You are insane. Holmgren brought in Heckert as well. Neither guy will be gone next year.

Well, my thought right now is Holmgren is in retirement and Heckert is a keeper so far, and Shurmer..............thanks and dont let the door hit you on the way out

@brownindian said:

We have MoMass, Little, Mitchel and Norwood and Evan Moore, Ben Watson !!!!!

and none of them make the field stretched