@baconhound said:

If you watched the game and say he played well you're kidding yourself, just sayin'. And I forgot to mention the pick 6 he dropped...

You are objectively wrong. Your expectations are not realistic. Interceptions aren't guaranteed, they're a bonus. Get over yourself.

Haden is the best CB that the browns have had since Minnifield/Dixon, and possibly better since he has to take the #1 opponent WR every play of every game. At least those two could switch off.

@hoorta said:

So would you rather have guys running wide open- like 10 yards open- in the Browns secondary like Eric Wright did last year? At least Haden can cover the opposition. Asomugah got burned today- I guess the Eagles should dump him too. Cornerbacks do drop interceptions- if they didn't, they'd be wide receivers.

I do believe you have a very inaccurate idea of what constitutes a great corner. Isn't one in the world that can blanket wrs on every play.

Haden is the best CB the Browns have had since Minnifield- Dixon, and it's really not even debatable.

Agreed. To the defense of Eric Wright, he is having a very nice year in Detroit.

@baconhound said:

He looked bad again today, burned on a few throws and penalty yards add up...

So would you rather have guys running wide open- like 10 yards open- in the Browns secondary like Eric Wright did last year? At least Haden can cover the opposition. Asomugah got burned today- I guess the Eagles should dump him too. Cornerbacks do drop interceptions- if they didn't, they'd be wide receivers.

I do believe you have a very inaccurate idea of what constitutes a great corner. Isn't one in the world that can blanket wrs on every play.

Haden is the best CB the Browns have had since Minnifield- Dixon, and it's really not even debatable.

showin up to cavs games in the retro sweats!!??!! being seen in the stands of indians stadium, when there is no reason to be there?

FXXK everybody. i love me some joe haden.

dude is aces.

edit: and also you wanna see how good the dude can really be? give him some help with the second coming of frank minnifield.

@baconhound said:

Flowers, Woodson, Revis, Hall, Cromartie, Aqib Talib and maybe even Rodgers-Cromartie are all better than Haden at this point so I wouldn't call him top 5 yet

Out of all those guys the only 2 you can definitly say are better then Haden are Revis and Woodson. Hall, Crom, Rod-Crom and Talib are on par with him ... And Flowers is having a poor year and is not as good as Haden IMO.

As far as Ghoolie goes HAden would absolutely start on the Steelers and be an upgrade. As far as him not being a Brown in 2 years ... the only way he leaves is if we still suck and choses to leave at the end of his contract. Which he just might because we could very easily still suck.

Again like I said in the other thread discussing Haden and Suh ... It is apples and bananas. Personally I would take a stud CB, which I believe Haden is growing into, over a stud DT 100 out of 100 times. This is a passing league and having elite CB's is so much more important then an elite DT IMO.

@bringbackbrownie2 said:

So what is good for you? Allowing 0 catches and 0 yards?! No corner does that. Haden isn't perfect but he is one of the better corners in the league. Look at any of the above corners you mentioned and they all get called for penalties and allow catches too. The defense played fine today.

If you watched the game and say he played well you're kidding yourself, just sayin'. And I forgot to mention the pick 6 he dropped...

Zombo said:

He's the best corner I've seen in Cleveland since Miinifield-Dixon.

Z

I think Antonio Langham was better then Haden. That being said, I like Joe a lot.

@baconhound said:

He looked bad again today, burned on a few throws and penalty yards add up...

So what is good for you? Allowing 0 catches and 0 yards?! No corner does that. Haden isn't perfect but he is one of the better corners in the league. Look at any of the above corners you mentioned and they all get called for penalties and allow catches too. The defense played fine today.

Zombo said:

He's the best corner I've seen in Cleveland since Miinifield-Dixon.

Z

He looked bad again today, burned on a few throws and penalty yards add up...

@miktoxic said:

suh and haden are both good. we needed a corner and heckert picked a gem. yes the browns would have loved to have suh too but couldn't and drafted phil taylor. was that a bad pick? i say hell no. we needed a DE. browns drafted sheard. bad pick? i say hell no again.

unless we are the yankees of the NFL there is only so much you can do. hate shurmur and homgren but heckert IMO is the best in the FO we've had in a loooooong time.

suh IS dirty and F him and his chrysler commercial. fake bitch. be nice in front of the cameras and bite fingers off in the pile. what is this the pitt squeeleers?

and F detroit. what was bill polian the governor there for the past decade? couldn't foresee the plague? the doom?

Good win for the Browns, Dawson's kick looked good, but Haden was poor again. If you don't think so you're a homer

unless we are the yankees of the NFL there is only so much you can do. hate shurmur and homgren but heckert IMO is the best in the FO we've had in a loooooong time.

suh IS dirty and F him and his chrysler commercial. fake bitch. be nice in front of the cameras and bite fingers off in the pile. what is this the pitt squeeleers?

and F detroit. what was bill polian the governor there for the past decade? couldn't foresee the plague? the doom?

@baconhound said:

All you guys slurpin' Haden he played like garbage today.... Where are the guys taken Haden over Suh

Its cool how u wait for Haden to have a "bad" game to say he is not good even though Lloyd clearly pushed off for the td and he still barely had any yards against Haden. Thank god u dont run the Browns otherwise u might actually make them worse if that is even possible.

what you are saying is, anything less than perfection is unacceptable. gtfo with that bullshit...

@choco said:

hahaha....wo, you are really that stupid eh?

ok then....one bad game does not change the fact he's been our best pick in a loooong time. if it was even a bad game....which it wasn't. lloyd had 4 rec for 48 yds and a TD. all in the first half i believe. haden shut him down in the second half.

jesus...where do you xxxxing children get this shit.

suh, meanwhile, is one of the dirtiest players on teh dirtiest team in the league. 8 personal fouls in 25 games...most if not all for roughing the passer. tearing a QB's helmet off....again! remember what he did to jake last year? he maybe a great player, but he's also a douchebag of the highest order.

im not surprised you look up to trash like that.

It was a bad game. If you are a top 5 corner in the league, not my words, any you get burned for the teams only TD while ghosting on two first down runs by Jackson you had a bad game.

Yes Haden is the best corner we've had in a while.

Suh is dirty and no I don't look up to him but he is the best player in taken in the 2010 NFL draft.

@roach said:

Haden didn't have a horrible game. Where does this crap come from?

He wasn't close on that TD and he fanned on two tackles that led two first downs.

@baconhound said:

Haden is very good, Suh is better. Just trying to get that point across to those that don't believe it.

hahaha....wo, you are really that stupid eh?

ok then....one bad game does not change the fact he's been our best pick in a loooong time. if it was even a bad game....which it wasn't. lloyd had 4 rec for 48 yds and a TD. all in the first half i believe. haden shut him down in the second half.

jesus...where do you xxxxing children get this shit.

suh, meanwhile, is one of the dirtiest players on teh dirtiest team in the league. 8 personal fouls in 25 games...most if not all for roughing the passer. tearing a QB's helmet off....again! remember what he did to jake last year? he maybe a great player, but he's also a douchebag of the highest order.

im not surprised you look up to trash like that.

@baconhound said:

Never said Haden wasn't good. He is very good. He had a horrible game. Just pointing out to those who commented in a previous thread that he was the best pick in 2010 and stated that he is better than Suh.

Haden didn't have a horrible game. Where does this crap come from?

mikeyP72 said:

Haden is good.. dumb post. Revis gets scored on did he get traded?

Its one thing to be negative, but please direct it in the right direction.

Shurmur

Haden is very good, Suh is better. Just trying to get that point across to those that don't believe it.

mikeyP72 said:

Haden is good.. dumb post. Revis gets scored on did he get traded?

Its one thing to be negative, but please direct it in the right direction.

Shurmur

Never said Haden wasn't good. He is very good. He had a horrible game. Just pointing out to those who commented in a previous thread that he was the best pick in 2010 and stated that he is better than Suh.

@miktoxic said:

haden top 5 CB in the league, easy. he's better that assohfagho on philly. sooo glad we didn't overpay for that quiff.

there's your "LET'S GET A BUNCH OF BIG NAME GUYS PUT THEM ALL TOGETHER AND LOSE TO A RED SKELTON ARIZONA CARDINAL TEAM!" HAH!!!!

wow, at least i knew we were gonna lose.

Flowers, Woodson, Revis, Hall, Cromartie, Aqib Talib and maybe even Rodgers-Cromartie are all better than Haden at this point so I wouldn't call him top 5 yet