@htownbrown said:

140 ypg given up on the ground every week should help you understand theres no need to pass on us. Therefore McCoy's 200 ypg really isnt impressive when the other team isnt passing all that much on us.

Yeah and the Browns are 7th in scoring defense- 14th in rushing TDs allowed. Partially true what you're saying- but it is what it is.

Hillis-iz-Boss said:

Nope! Colt did OK the past two weeks... against two or the worst defenses in the NFL... and he through for 1 TD and 2 INT's. Not exactly great numbers against shitty defenses. The next 6 weeks he is playing 5 top 5 defenses in Balt x2, Pitt x2, and Cinci x1. I imagine in that span of time he averages around 250 yards a game (because he throws so much from us being behind) and has something like a 1-2.5 TD to INT ratio.

Jacksonville is number 3 in YPG on defense...Pitt is 2 and Baltimore is 4...Guess what...we are 5!!!

In pts/gm they are 5 with pitt and balt being 3 and 4 and us at 7...

Get your facts straight before you open your a-hole genius...

Cinci btw is 8 in pts/gm and 6 in yds/gm...below us in both aspects...

moron

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=2&season=2011&seasonType=REG&role=OPP&d-447263-n=1&d-447263-o=1&d-447263-p=1&conference=ALL&defensiveStatisticCategory=GAME_STATS&d-447263-s=TOTAL_YARDS_GAME_AVG

@represent said:

Exactly right, surprised someone else noticed he was in the shotty more in those games.

I'm pretty sure everyone noticed that. We all were watching the same game, you know?

@usfbrown said:

They finally adjusted and started playing to his strengths. He's playing more out of the shotgun and spreading the receivers. You have to play to the talent of your team. I think Colt is getting more balls and confidence now. He's throwing it better and I think realizing that WRs are not always open and you have to fit the ball in there.

He's done well the past couple of weeks. The team is starting to show improvements. We'll just see what happens when we start playing ACFN teams. But for now, I'm going to enjoy this win.

Exactly right, surprised someone else noticed he was in the shotty more in those games.

@neo said:

Can we get a quarterback that is taller than 4 feet? Is anybody else getting tired of all the deflected passes at the LOS? I love Colt's heart and determination, but damn, can we do anything to make this guy taller???

Call Willie Wonka and have the umpa lumpas fire up the stretching machine.

@carlos said:

fair enough but i recall some snob coming on and talking about how he was worthless, the day he got picked up by the Browns. Can't remember his name though. . .

I will guess his name was Ghoolie ...

@hoorta said:

You can yell "Garbage time Stats", but what really surprised me is McCoy has been the leading passer in 8 out of the 10 games the Browns have played so far.

140 ypg given up on the ground every week should help you understand theres no need to pass on us. Therefore McCoy's 200 ypg really isnt impressive when the other team isnt passing all that much on us.

The playcalling seemed somewhat improved simply because oga "whatever" booga was looking sharp and hit some nice holes and then we were able to successfully mix things up fairly well for once but shurmurs playcalling is still not lending itself fully to what few team strengths we have..

Ogoboogyaba was impressive and shows signs of being a very capable RB..

@htownbrown said:

Straight masochism!! If McCoy starts next season so be it, but getting pissed about the possibility he won't is hard to imagine. Its like being pissed that you didn't get cut off in traffic. He's shown NOTHING all season. Yes the coach sucks, the o line sucks, the wrs and rbs suck, whatever else you want to say, I probably agree. But guess what....he blends in so well I can't tell he doesn't suck either.

I don't get some of you at all. If we were going to play a team with McCoy on it, we would be talking about how he sucks and how we should win that one. Delusional. F<>k it, trade the whole offense away. Spread the disease to the rest of league. We struggle to swim with the small fish, and get eaten and shit out by the big ones. If you want more of that your sick. Remember the backward pass/interception (cincy game) and the passes to god knows where (every game)? Where were you?

I dunno maybe its just me but it seems like McCoy gets all the credit when we win (suck less than the other team) and gets a ton of built-in excuses when we lose. Its one way or the other, not both. He was OK on Sunday, but that doesn't make up for painful to watch football he has played most of the season.

Give him the rest of the season. If he sucks the rest of the way, draft a real qb talent and let him watch what not to do for a season. Then ship McCoy out and let a real talent drive the offense that should, in theory, be 2 drafts stronger. Its time browns fans get over their battered woman syndrome. I know I'm not protecting the abusers anymore.

I'm not going to be as negative as you are, or as positive as Carlos. Sure, McCoy's arm strength is somewhat of an issue- and I did see him toss up a few wounded ducks against the Jags (I'm NOT counting the possible tipped pass on the INT call). But I did see if you give the guy a reasonable facsimile of a pocket where he has more than a 1\2 second to make a throw before he gets killed, he can be pretty accurate, and he is accurate on the run (see the TD pass to Cribbs as exhibit A).

You can yell "Garbage time Stats", but what really surprised me is McCoy has been the leading passer in 8 out of the 10 games the Browns have played so far. Did Bradford (#1 overall), or Gabbert (top 10 pick)- (I loved Blaine throwing the ball 5 yards out of the end zone, when he didn't have a Browns defender within 10 yards of his wr after Sheldon Brown fell on his A$$ trying to defend him) seriously outperform McCoy? Not in my book.

I don't get some of you at all. If we were going to play a team with McCoy on it, we would be talking about how he sucks and how we should win that one. Delusional. F<>k it, trade the whole offense away. Spread the disease to the rest of league. We struggle to swim with the small fish, and get eaten and shit out by the big ones. If you want more of that your sick. Remember the backward pass/interception (cincy game) and the passes to god knows where (every game)? Where were you?

I dunno maybe its just me but it seems like McCoy gets all the credit when we win (suck less than the other team) and gets a ton of built-in excuses when we lose. Its one way or the other, not both. He was OK on Sunday, but that doesn't make up for painful to watch football he has played most of the season.

Give him the rest of the season. If he sucks the rest of the way, draft a real qb talent and let him watch what not to do for a season. Then ship McCoy out and let a real talent drive the offense that should, in theory, be 2 drafts stronger. Its time browns fans get over their battered woman syndrome. I know I'm not protecting the abusers anymore.

http://thebrownsboar...showtopic=20480

Matter of fact Hillisizboss was saying the same ish on that thread, that it was premature to knock Ogbonnaya cause he had just been signed.

Latch on to the good. Browns got a W, colt put up good numbers again and found better protection, run game was more consistent.

@miktoxic said:

what do you mean y'all? i thought you were one of us?

you know what, i think we'd all be better off if you weren't. thanks anyways. comprende pendicky?

and what the heck is a pendicky? I looked it up on Google and nothing popped up which is saying a lot because google runs a search on just about every source imaginable.

@miktoxic said:

what do you mean y'all? i thought you were one of us?

you know what, i think we'd all be better off if you weren't. thanks anyways. comprende pendicky?

My home team in the Dallas Cowboys but I like to come in and chat about Browns football. I started off watching the Browns when they picked up Colt McCoy and have been watching all the games online because they aren't broacast in my area very often, since last year. I actually have Payton Hillis (unfortunately) on my fantasy football team and the Browns are the team I follow the most consistently, in the NFL. As for whether or not everyone else would be better off, calm down and stop speaking for everyone. Its a football forum and I can say whatever the hell I want.

@carlos said:

a tough blow if yall lost him.

what do you mean y'all? i thought you were one of us?

you know what, i think we'd all be better off if you weren't. thanks anyways. comprende pendicky?

Hillis-iz-Boss said:

Chris Obi Wan Kenobi should make a really good 3rd down back and back up in the league, a good Woodhead type of back. I still don't think he is a feature back though.

fair enough but i recall some snob coming on and talking about how he was worthless, the day he got picked up by the Browns. Can't remember his name though. . .

@carlos said:

Thats funny, I remember when I said that Ogbonnaya could be a good back for the Browns and some douchebag acted like Og was worth about a pile of shit. Turns out some people just say shit and dont know what the eff they're talking about. That said, Colt is one of the brightest spots on this team and it'd be a tough blow if yall lost him.

Chris Obi Wan Kenobi should make a really good 3rd down back and back up in the league, a good Woodhead type of back. I still don't think he is a feature back though.

EDIT: i did NOT read the above reply before my own.

with to do so he can do so effectively. Colt fit some passes into tight windows and ON TIME which is the most important part for the WCO to work. Also, I'm glad to

see Jordan Norwood got a shot. He isn't a burner or deep threat, but he runs consistent routes and is quick enough to get decent YAC out of the slot. If Shurmur

continues to give Colt the ability to throw down the field and make plays, he will make our offense very good. If he doesn't, I think Colt won't mature enough this

year to stay in Cleveland. I expect the Browns to compete much better through these last 6 games, but not necessarily win.

@miktoxic said:

between the sophomore slump and a new coach and system i think he is the least of our problems.

Exactly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!