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Well, all i know is that illegals are a problem and if we dont start restricting and enforcing those restrictions we are in trouble.

Im not saying I hate Mexicans. Im saying that if you want in this country you need to get screwed by the government like anyone else.

Just for the record, 'they' are not Mexicans, only.

Well, all i know is that illegals are a problem and if we dont start restricting and enforcing those restrictions we are in trouble.

Im not saying I hate Mexicans. Im saying that if you want in this country you need to get screwed by the government like anyone else.

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Obama is for Imagration because he too is an Immagrant

What you said is true, but you took offense where none was intended.

You see, simply differentiate between the bad immigrants from the good immigrants,

and you solve most of the problem. Why I can't say we should not let Obama give

welfare share the wealth bs to all of the gangs that come here in droves, is beyond me.

But the fact is, in most every major American city, you may find Mexican gangs.

So, you grow up. It's a very huge problem.

Before I went back to school, I was in charge of about 60 painters. 4 of them were hispanic (and not legal). They were subcontracted to us through a labor trade service and were paid the same wages as my other "top painters & foremen" plus an additional fee to the subcontracting agency for what I can only imagine was risk coverage because I doubt taxes were being paid. Those 4 guys out of 60 were the only ones I trusted. The only ones that I could put on a job and be guaranteed results. When overtime came around, guess who I was going to? They made me look good. They made me trustworthy in the eyes of my clients. I didn't have to babysit.

But like you say, they were surely burning up some resources that they werent contributing to. But I felt (still feel) like they made up for it in other ways. In other words, I could rattle off a few different groups of people that ought to be deported before the hispanics. (I'm for amnesty, getting them a SSN, and collecting taxes on them b/c they're already here. Then close the border.)

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and that includes the Mexican gang members who infiltrate across the border.

holy crap.

It also includes the ones who come here to improve their quality of life and don't have the $5500 cash to pay for citizenship. The ones who bust their ass 7 days a week and damn near kill themselves working. The ones who push caravans of shopping carts through the grocery store & Walmart on payday - damn near paying a mortgage worth of sales tax. The ones who's faces light up & glow when my Dad & I spend 12-18 hours on a Saturday once every two months to give free dental care to. You know, the ones who make damn sure they know how to say "thank you" in English (even when Dad & me try to impress them by butchering their language). Grow up.

Kudos to you and your, Dad, Leg.

However whether or not these are 'good people' or not, they should not be here and are sucking resources that we can ill afford to provide.

Look at Prison Demographics, violent crime, sponging human services, etc.

The problem is, as I've said time and time again - the Conservatives want the cheap labor - low pay and no benefits and the Liberals want the votes and the illusion that there is a need for more and more public dole public spending.

I have no problem with an orderly system that includes accountable sponsorship, orderly registration, etc. You have a record, you get deported. You have a clean record and follow the procedures and get a sponsor, then you get in.

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holy crap.

It also includes the ones who come here to improve their quality of life and don't have the $5500 cash to pay for citizenship. The ones who bust their ass 7 days a week and damn near kill themselves working. The ones who push caravans of shopping carts through the grocery store & Walmart on payday - damn near paying a mortgage worth of sales tax. The ones who's faces light up & glow when my Dad & I spend 12-18 hours on a Saturday once every two months to give free dental care to. You know, the ones who make damn sure they know how to say "thank you" in English (even when Dad & me try to impress them by butchering their language).

Grow up.

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Gracias.WSS

Unfortunately, just like McCain's position, although, I have to admit, I have never heard Obama speak about illegal immigration. He probably did, but I didn't hear what he said. Pretty much assume his position is as you stated, Steve.

Illegal Immigration, alone, made me turn a blind eye to McCain.

Vote Nader in '08

Gracias.

WSS

You're coming after shep like the Scott Jergensen character near the end of this absolutely classic Will Ferrell/Pierce Brosnan SNL skit.

the Mexican gang members who infiltrate across the border.

IOW, buy guns, take a safety course, and grow a garden. Obama wins, we are screwed as America.

It is an important topic that i dont see any threads on!

Thanx Man!