Browns- 21.

(1 return TD)

how have our special teams done this season?

discuss while i watch PP kick returns and cry. Several times.

Compare PP's total touchdowns this season to our offenses' total.

cry with me.

@the-gipper said:

The picked at #8 last year. If they picked at #5 either Green or Peterson would be here. Only when those prime players were gone did they decide to trade down.

@dj_illness said:

thanks.

again, we've played the draft well the past few years, but I cry every time i see a PP/AJ Green highlight.

and there have been several.

We picked at #6 not #8 last year and PP hasn't done well this year except on on special teams.

again, we've played the draft well the past few years, but I cry every time i see a PP/AJ Green highlight.

and there have been several.

@dj_illness said:

we picked, what #5 last year?

and we missed out on AJ Green and Patrick Peterson.

(we drafted well, but one of those guys would have been nice).

drafting at #22 (or higher) just increases the potential for sadness/2012 anger and jealousy.

The picked at #8 last year. If they picked at #5 either Green or Peterson would be here. Only when those prime players were gone did they decide to trade down.

and we missed out on AJ Green and Patrick Peterson.

(we drafted well, but one of those guys would have been nice).

drafting at #22 (or higher) just increases the potential for sadness/2012 anger and jealousy.

@dj_illness said:

I would love to end up with the 3rd overall pick.

to counteract my sadness when I realized Atlanta's pick would be at least #22, if not higher.

True, but a first round pick is a first round pick. Plenty of talent left on the board..

to counteract my sadness when I realized Atlanta's pick would be at least #22, if not higher.

@dj_illness said:

I've been looking for this all day. thanks for at least starting the discussion.

So, assuming Indy and St. Louis both lose.... is their strength of schedule even close?

Would Indy definitely be drafting first if they tie?

Yes, but then Indy has the more "winnable game" vs. the Jags where the Rams play the Niners. So, who knows?

@theclevelandsound said:

The current draft order from ESPN:

1. Colts (2-13) ...play the Jags

2. Rams (2-13) ...play the 49ers

3. Vikings (3-12) ...play the Bears

4. Browns (4-11) play the Steelers

5. Jaguars (4-11) play the Colts

6. Buccaneers (4-11) play the Falcons

7. Redskins (5-10) play the Eagles

8. Dolphins (5-10) ...play the Jets

9. Panthers (6-9) ...play the Saints

10. Bills (6-9) play the Pats

11. Chiefs (6-9)...play the Broncos

So, assuming Indy and St. Louis both lose.... is their strength of schedule even close?

Would Indy definitely be drafting first if they tie?

1. Colts (2-13)

2. Rams (2-13)

3. Vikings (3-12)

4. Browns (4-11)

5. Jaguars (4-11)

6. Buccaneers (4-11)

7. Redskins (5-10)

8. Dolphins (5-10)

9. Panthers (6-9)

10. Bills (6-9)

11. Chiefs (6-9)

@dawginit said:

You can't really identify strength of schedule yet either until the season is over. It is based on where teams are after 16 games not 15.

True, but I am sure that the draft order given was tentative, i.e. what it WOULD be after 15 games....but obviously subject to change after the 16th game.

@bringbackbrownie2 said:

Minnesota doesn't (thanks to green bay). That's why we win the tiebreaker if we end up with the same wins as Minnesota. But Minnesota only has 3 wins so far so they would have to win (and Browns lose) for the tiebreaker to come into effect. I'm not sure about Jax but I'll take his word for it..

Adam Schefter Just reported the Draft order as 1. Colts 2. Rams. 3. Vikes 4. Browns and 5. Jags.

@harry-buffalo said:

I just don't see how both Jacksonville and Minnesota have an easier Strength of Schedule than us.

Minnesota doesn't (thanks to green bay). That's why we win the tiebreaker if we end up with the same wins as Minnesota. But Minnesota only has 3 wins so far so they would have to win (and Browns lose) for the tiebreaker to come into effect. I'm not sure about Jax but I'll take his word for it..

@theclevelandsound said:

Here you go folks.

If the Browns lose to Pittsburgh and finish with a 4-12 record:

They draft No. 3 if Jacksonville beats Indianapolis and Minnesota beats Chicago.

They draft No. 4 if Jacksonville beats Indianapolis and Chicago beats Minnesota.

They draft No. 4 if Indianapolis beats Jacksonville and Minnesota beats Chicago.

They draft No. 5 if Indianapolis beats Jacksonville and Chicago beats Minnesota.

If the Browns beat Pittsburgh and finish with a 5-11 record:

They draft anywhere from No. 6 to No. 9, depending on several outcomes.

That sounds about right except we pick 8th overall at the worst. I wasn't sure if we could get the 3rd overall pick or not. I would still rather beat Pittsburgh..

@theclevelandsound said:

Here you go folks.

If the Browns lose to Pittsburgh and finish with a 4-12 record:

They draft No. 3 if Jacksonville beats Indianapolis and Minnesota beats Chicago.

They draft No. 4 if Jacksonville beats Indianapolis and Chicago beats Minnesota.

They draft No. 4 if Indianapolis beats Jacksonville and Minnesota beats Chicago.

They draft No. 5 if Indianapolis beats Jacksonville and Chicago beats Minnesota.

If the Browns beat Pittsburgh and finish with a 5-11 record:

They draft anywhere from No. 6 to No. 9, depending on several outcomes.

I just don't see how both Jacksonville and Minnesota have an easier Strength of Schedule than us.