@bringbackbrownie2 said:

It's not that I don't like Luck. The problem is we would have to sacrifice the 2012 and 2013 draft. A 4-12 team can't afford to do that when they lack talent in many areas..

Maybe Holmgren will see Luck like the Browns Neo and lead the organization out of the "Matrix".

Lucks record:

1.8-8

2.8-8

3.10-6, upstart wild card browns lose to Colts in AFC title game

4.7-9

5.9-7

6.10-6, browns fall in wild card game

7.8-8

8.12-4, Browns lose in AFC title game again to Colts on Luck pick 6

9.8-8

10.11-5 Browns lose in divisional playoff

11.4-5 Luck tears ACL, cut by Browns after season.

@harry-buffalo said:

Alot more Blackmon. Weeden is a decent QB but nothing great. Blackmon has great moves and twitches to get open and great moves after the catch.

Also anyone who doubts Luck I hope you watched this game. He would be absolutely perfect for us and I would be so happy if we traded up to get him. He's made every throw an NFL QB needs to make and he's even done it while on the move or while getting thrown to the ground. Near perfect field vision and he audibles like Manning.

It's not that I don't like Luck. The problem is we would have to sacrifice the 2012 and 2013 draft. A 4-12 team can't afford to do that when they lack talent in many areas..

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

Hillis and James would maybe be a nice duo.

As much as I hate him, I would love a LeGarrette Blount type runner. He's not a scat back, but not a power back either. He's just big enough to break some serious tackles, but isnt a rumbling FB either.

Essentially, he's a slightly faster Hillis.

Aside from the fact that he cant catch and dosent block good at all, there is talk that Tampa will be looking at Richardson in the draft

As much as I hate him, I would love a LeGarrette Blount type runner. He's not a scat back, but not a power back either. He's just big enough to break some serious tackles, but isnt a rumbling FB either.

Essentially, he's a slightly faster Hillis.

@harry-buffalo said:

How would you know that. Ball is a mid 2nd round pick and runs a sub 4.55 40. Richardson is not only faster with better agility but is also loads stronger.

Browns probably will still want Hillis for the heavy load. I look for them to go scatback in the second round. Maybe the Oregon runner.

@hempman said:

Can't catch, isn't much faster. May be more agile, but isn't what the Browns are looking for. Ball isn't being considered for a first rounder fwiw.

RB class sucks this year

Ball's receiving stats: 20 rec 255 yards 12.8 average 6 TD's

Richardson: 27 rec 327 yards 12.1 average 3 TD's

One is clearly not better than the other in that department. Watch them side by side and Trent Richardson is a clear .5 faster than Ball at the very least. I also never said Ball was being considered for a 1st round pick, I said he was mid 2nd at best. Richardson is better in almost every aspect of the game.

@harry-buffalo said:

How would you know that. Ball is a mid 2nd round pick and runs a sub 4.55 40. Richardson is not only faster with better agility but is also loads stronger.

Can't catch, isn't much faster. May be more agile, but isn't what the Browns are looking for. Ball isn't being considered for a first rounder fwiw.

RB class sucks this year

@hempman said:

Browns like Ball better than Richardson.

How would you know that. Ball is a mid 2nd round pick and runs a sub 4.55 40. Richardson is not only faster with better agility but is also loads stronger.

@hunt-daddy said:

If we don't come out of this draft with Luck, Blackmon, or Richardson, I'm going to rage. That is assuming they aren't the 1-3 picks. In that case I won't be as mad. But if we pass on Blackmon or Richardson and don't trade up for Luck, I'll be pissed.

Browns like Ball better than Richardson.

Also anyone who doubts Luck I hope you watched this game. He would be absolutely perfect for us and I would be so happy if we traded up to get him. He's made every throw an NFL QB needs to make and he's even done it while on the move or while getting thrown to the ground. Near perfect field vision and he audibles like Manning.

How much is it Weeden?

W... o ...w.

@hempman said:

Overblown hype of his so called "physical play". The Stanford DB's suck. They got destroyed by Oregan and USC. Blackmon would be shut down by LSU,Alabama.

He is not Megatron or Green. You have to take what he is. Heckert isn't going to reach for a guy with his skills at the 4, when you have better value at CB or DE. It would be like Holmgren saying he wants a QB with the 4th pick and then picking Landry Jones based on his terrific arm speed/strength combo, ignoring the rest of his issues.............

He has produced two years in a row against quality defenses and a slightly above average QB. As compared to last year when AJ Green didn't even come close to 1000 yards and Jones only got over 1100. Why wouldn't Heckert take a guy who has produced huge numbers over the past two seasons, a person that has great hands, body control, and route running, and has decent speed. Not to mention what a great person he is and good he will do for the community.

@nw220 said:

Really whos the better Value at DE??? Coples?? No dont think so

CB?? Claiborne? that could be argued ethier way i personally think Blackmon is a better prospect

Agreed. There is no DE who's production or physical skills warrant a top 10 pick. Claiborne is boarder line as good as Blackmon, but I would rather see another season of Brown at starting CB than have to see another year of no true #1 WR.

@nw220 said:

Really whos the better Value at DE??? Coples?? No dont think so

CB?? Claiborne? that could be argued ethier way i personally think Blackmon is a better prospect

Yup, Coples is very underrated. Better talent than Sheard who is good. I just am not a Blackmon fan. We need a tall, tough WR who can play in the WCO. Blackmon would have been a nice next to BE back in the Chud days. As Heckert said himself, if you are expecting a WR with the first pick, forget it. There isn't one that is worth a top 5 pick that the Browns like. A bunch later on.

@hempman said:

Overblown hype of his so called "physical play". The Stanford DB's suck. They got destroyed by Oregan and USC. Blackmon would be shut down by LSU,Alabama.

He is not Megatron or Green. You have to take what he is. Heckert isn't going to reach for a guy with his skills at the 4, when you have better value at CB or DE. It would be like Holmgren saying he wants a QB with the 4th pick and then picking Landry Jones based on his terrific arm speed/strength combo, ignoring the rest of his issues.............

Really whos the better Value at DE??? Coples?? No dont think so

CB?? Claiborne? that could be argued ethier way i personally think Blackmon is a better prospect