<![CDATA[Why We Need A Qb]]>Ranking The 15 Cleveland Browns Starting Quarterbacks Since 99

After reading this please welcome RG3

15. Ken Dorsey

There was no shortage of candidates for last place on this list, but in a close battle, Dorsey takes the cake for worst Browns starting quarterback since 1999.

Dorsey started three games for the Browns in 2008, as the third different starter that season. He was 0-3 as the starter and led the Browns' offense to a grand total of 19 points in Weeks 14 through 16 combined.

He never looked comfortable in the Browns offense and either threw the ball to a check-down receiver or to the opposing team. Dorsey threw seven interceptions and no touchdowns with the Browns.

The stats should tell most of the story, but if they don't, this will: Dorsey was so bad as the Browns starting quarterback in those three weeks that Romeo Crennel chose Bruce Gradkowski, who he had picked up off the street, to start Week 17.

Dorsey's Stats: 0-3 Record, completed 47%, 370 yards, 0 TD, 7 INT, 26.4 rating

14. Bruce Gradkowski

It's hard to put Gradkowski here because he only made one start and he's proven to be a better quarterback since, but his lone Browns start was so terrible that he left me no choice.

Gradkowski was picked up off the street late in the 2008 season and started in Week 17 at Pittsburgh. He was the fourth quarterback to start a game for the Browns that season.

In a 31-0 loss, Gradkowski was 5-for-16 with 18 yards and two interceptions. His quarterback rating was 1.0.

It just doesn't get much worse than that. He might have been thrown into an impossible situation, but he played impossibly bad for an NFL player.

I will admit that these rankings are skewed toward 2008, which considering the expectations and circumstances may have been the most frustrating Browns season since they returned to the league.

Gradkowski's Stats: 0-1 Record, 33%, 26 yards, 0 TD, 2 INT, 2.8 rating

13. Spergon Wynn

Like Gradkowski, Wynn also started just one game for the Browns, coming in 2000. In Week 14 of that season at Jacksonville, Wynn led the Browns offense in a shutout effort in a 48-0 loss.

Wynn also appeared in seven games that season as the backup, and the results were not much better. The rookie had a cannon of a right arm, but no idea of how to control that cannon, leading to a barrage of misguided lasers.

Unlike some of the other castoffs on this list, Wynn was unable to move on and find success elsewhere. In fact, he appeared in three games and made two starts for the Vikings in 2001 and was never heard from again.

Wynn's Stats: 0-1 Record, 40.7%, 167 yards, 0 TD, 1 INT, 41.2 rating

12. Doug Pederson

Pederson took over after Tim Couch's shoulder injury halfway through the 2000 season and it was a disaster. He was so horrible that wide receivers Kevin Johnson and Dennis Northcutt took some snaps at quarterback in an early and ugly version of the WildDawg.

The longtime Brett Favre backup in Green Bay should have provided some experience and stability, but instead the Browns were 1-7 and suffered two shutouts during his time as the starter. The offense was limited to 8.3 points per game in those eight contests.

Pederson's Stats: 1-7 Record, 55.7%, 1,047 yards, 2 TD, 8 INT, 56.6 rating

11. Luke McCown

"Luuuuuuuuke!" is what Browns fans chanted during their short-lived love affair with McCown, the third-string quarterback in 2004.

McCown was 0-4 as the Browns starter and led the offense to just 29 points combined in those four starts. To be fair, he was just a rookie, but his ineffectiveness was enough to make some Browns fans queasy.

He has found a way to stick around in the NFL, as he's currently the backup in Jacksonville.

McCown's Stats: 0-4 Record, 49%, 608 yards, 4 TD, 7 INT, 52.6 rating

10. Ty Detmer

Detmer started the first and last games of the re-born Browns season in 1999, both losses.

Fans who had been anxiously waiting three years for the Browns to return to the field are still traumatized by Detmer and the Browns' performance in Week 1, a 43-0 loss to the Steelers at Cleveland Browns Stadium. Eleven seasons later, it's not clear if the Browns and their fans have recovered from falling flat out of the gate.

Detmer was supposed to provide an experienced veteran that would groom young Tim Couch and take the lumps for the inexperienced team early in the season. Instead, he was so bad in that first game that Head Coach Chris Palmer had to start the rookie Couch in Week 2.

Many Browns fans believe that the battering Couch took in that first season left him scarred and played a significant role in his failure to develop into a franchise quarterback in the NFL.

Detmer's Stats: 0-2, 51.6%, 548 yards, 4 TD, 2 INT, 75.7 rating

9. Jake Delhomme

J. Meric/Getty Images Some might look at this ranking and think that Delhomme's tenure with the Browns is incomplete. I've seen enough to argue that he should never again start a game for the Browns.

He looks like a 35-year-old washed up veteran and has looked slow and old. Some of his decision-making his been baffling, including the falling-down-sidearm pass that he threw in Week 1 that was intercepted and basically cost the Browns the game.

Like Detmer, Delhomme was brought in to hold down the fort for the Browns until they get a franchise quarterback, whenever that is. But, healthy or not, he clearly is not the quarterback that he used to be in Carolina.

Delhomme's Stats: 0-1, 55%, 324 yards, 1 TD, 4 INT, 48.2 rating

8. Brady Quinn

Jamie Squire/Getty Images Browns fans were surprised and ecstatic when Quinn dropped to Cleveland with the 22nd pick in the 2007 Draft. Quinn spent his time in Cleveland showing why so many teams passed on him.

Despite losing quarterback competitions with Derek Anderson in training camp, Quinn was always the fan-favorite in Cleveland. Browns fans chanted "Brady! Brady!" and believed that the product of Notre Dame who grew up a Browns fan would be the franchise quarterback the Browns had been searching for.

Instead, Quinn was 4-9 as the Browns starting quarterback and will be remembered for his legendary check-downs. Rarely looking down the field, Quinn didn't pan out and was traded to the Broncos after the 2009 season.

Quinn's Stats: 4-9 Record, 52%, 1,902 yards, 10 TD, 9 INT, 66.8 rating

7. Trent Dilfer

Jamie Squire/Getty Images Like others on this list, Dilfer was brought in to be a veteran presence and failed. Browns fans held their breath every time he went back to throw, not having any clue where the ball might end up.

At times it looked like he was throwing with his eyes closed.

The Pro Bowler and Super Bowl-winning quarterback was a shell of his former self as the Browns quarterback in 2005. He was 4-7 during the 2005 season.

Dilfer's Stats: 4-7 Record, 60%, 2,321 yards, 11 TD, 12 INT, 76.9 rating

6. Charlie Frye

"Charlie! Charlie!"

Boy do Browns fans love their backup quarterbacks in Cleveland, especially if he grew up a Browns fan, like Frye did.

Just like Quinn, Frye drew the admiration of Browns fans and the hope that he would get into the game. And when he did finally get the chance, he showed that he wasn't worthy of starting games in the NFL.

Frye's career in Cleveland ended in 2007 after suffering a 34-7 loss to the Steelers in week one (do you see a pattern developing here?). He was traded to Seattle early the next week.

Frye's Stats: 5-13 record, 63%, 3,490 yards, 14 TD, 23 INT, 71.2 rating

5. Jeff Garcia

Garcia was brought to Cleveland as the latest franchise savior in 2004, and to nobody's surprise, it didn't work out.

He still had the ability to scramble around and make some throws, but was generally ineffective. Garcia was eventually replaced by Kelly Holcomb and later Luke McCown.

Garcia's Stats: 3-7 record, 57%, 1,731 yards, 10 TD, 9 INT, 76.7 rating

4. Seneca Wallace

This grade is largely incomplete and I know I will catch some flack for this rating. But, he has looked good and kept the Browns competitive despite going 1-3 in his four starts.

Wallace has largely overachieved what was expected from him, the exact opposite of most of the players on this list. He also led the Browns to a win over the Bengals in week four.

Wallace's Stats: 1-3 Record, 63%, 693 yards, 4 TD, 2 INT, 88.5 rating

3. Tim Couch

The numbers are not pretty. He was projected to be a franchise quarterback and Pro Bowler, and maybe even a Hall of Famer.

Tim Couch was none of those, but he started the most games (59) for the Browns and had the most wins (22) among any of the quarterbacks on this list. He suffered with a new franchise and was surrounded by terrible athletes.

Couch also was instrumental in the 2002 team that made the playoffs, still the only Browns playoff appearance since returning. He led a couple of big comebacks during that season to push the Browns to the playoffs, although Kelly Holcomb started over him in the playoff contest.

Couch was never in a position to succeed in Cleveland, and his career ended very early due to injury. I'm not making excuses for him, but on a list of so many terrible quarterbacks, he's not quite as bad.

Couch's Stats: 22-37 Record, 60%, 11,131 yards, 64 TD, 67 INT, 75.1 rating

2. Kelly Holcomb

Holcomb always appeared more effective than Couch and was the starting quarterback for the Browns in their lone playoff game since re-birth, at Pittsburgh in the 2002 season.

He set an NFL record with 429 yards in that post-season game, and had the Browns out to a 17-point lead, which they blew of course.

While Kelly didn't last in Cleveland long, he will be remembered for helping the Browns get to the playoffs and his performance against the Steelers.

Holcomb's Stats: 4-9 Record, 64%, 3,438 yards, 26 TD, 21 INT, 83.3 rating

1. Derek Anderson

I know that Anderson has since proven to be just as bad as the others on this list, but unlike the others, he did make a Pro Bowl. That is what separates D.A. and makes him number one on this list.

His 2007 season was by far the best of anybody on this list. He threw for nearly 3,800 yards, and had 29 touchdowns with just 19 interceptions. Anderson also led the Browns to the brink of the playoffs (although he helped them miss it with his awful performance against the Bengals in Week 16).

By no means is he a deserving No. 1 on any list, but when we are looking at all the bad Browns quarterbacks, that Pro Bowl season stands out. He also has the best winning percentage (.471) of anybody on the list.

Anderson's Stats: 16-18 Record, 53%, 7,083 yards, 46 TD, 45 INT, 70 rating

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jparsh said:

He's "killing" me? LOL I see what the nerd convention on the message boards consider killing. So tell me, what city do you live in? Sioux falls?

I don't mean to get into between you and Zombo....because I am sure that you are both quite capable of handling yourselves. I know Zombo is, because if you look to the left under Zombo's avatar you will notice that he is one of the originator's of this board and has almost 11,000 posts on here, whereas I note that you joined in November 2011 and have posted about 120 times.

All I am saying is that there is a little "respect your elders" aspect to this that you should be mindful of.

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@the-cysko-kid said:

Agreed, but off topic, I still contend couch could have been good, maybe even great if he had had a team. I believe he's still the browns all time leader in completion percentage, and is the only qb in NFL history to throw more than one game winning touchdown with 0:00 on the clock. He got us to the playoffs, which hey, ill take right now. I guess well never know. Rg3 could be good too, but I think hell suffer the same fate without a team around him. I'd rather see us build the damn team.

I agree about couch. Would've been nice to have some talent around him but Cleveland is known around the league as the place where QBs go to end their careers whether they are vets or rookies

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@cantonlegend said:

Or you could find guys like Jamarcus russel, Tim couch, ryan leaf, Alex smith, akili smith, etc etc etc

First round QBs are a gamble

You can hit or miss and set ur franchise up for success...or set ur franchise back another decade

Agreed, but off topic, I still contend couch could have been good, maybe even great if he had had a team. I believe he's still the browns all time leader in completion percentage, and is the only qb in NFL history to throw more than one game winning touchdown with 0:00 on the clock. He got us to the playoffs, which hey, ill take right now. I guess well never know. Rg3 could be good too, but I think hell suffer the same fate without a team around him. I'd rather see us build the damn team.

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@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

His whorish mother never told him that there were other cities in the world, and now the wealth of information is blowing his tiny little mind.

Coincidentally, not the first tiny little thing he's blown.

I've been to just about every state in this country and a few out of this country. Keep trying little buddy.

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@horse-balls said:

No, New York's not worth claiming. I'd much rather claim my Mom's basement in Lakewood.

People grow up and get real jobs in real cities (work in Manhattan, live in Brooklyn) ... that's life ...what's wrong with you anyhow?

His whorish mother never told him that there were other cities in the world, and now the wealth of information is blowing his tiny little mind.

Coincidentally, not the first tiny little thing he's blown.

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jparsh said:

Oh,ok. It's good to know that zombo is good enough at this internet stuff to have multiple accounts. Good for you/him.

And what city in NY do you live in? I'm going to be in new york city in a few months. Is this where you live? I bet you're a Staten island kinda guy, you can claim nyc (not that it's a place worth claiming) but you can stay safe in suburbia.

No, New York's not worth claiming. I'd much rather claim my Mom's basement in Lakewood.

People grow up and get real jobs in real cities (work in Manhattan, live in Brooklyn) ... that's life ...what's wrong with you anyhow?

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@horse-balls said:

You already know you're a bad basketball player, I'm telling you you're a douchebag.

Oh,ok. It's good to know that zombo is good enough at this internet stuff to have multiple accounts. Good for you/him.

And what city in NY do you live in? I'm going to be in new york city in a few months. Is this where you live? I bet you're a Staten island kinda guy, you can claim nyc (not that it's a place worth claiming) but you can stay safe in suburbia.

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jparsh said:

So you're trying to attack me by saying that I'm a bad basketball player? I'm not totally understanding where you're going with all these insults.

You already know you're a bad basketball player, I'm telling you you're a douchebag.

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@horse-balls said:

Oh thats right you're all in shape and shit cause you ball at the Y on detroit. Let you play when they got an odd number and you go home and tell your fiance how your a big man and shit.

So you're trying to attack me by saying that I'm a bad basketball player? I'm not totally understanding where you're going with all these insults.

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jparsh said:

Beauty Salon? Is that even supposed to be funny???? I don't get fat nerd humor I guess.

Oh thats right you're all in shape and shit cause you ball at the Y on detroit. Let you play when they got an odd number and you go home and tell your fiance how your a big man and shit.

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@horse-balls said:

Raised in Cleveland, live in New York. When my Mama saw I could get out of the twelfth grade on my own she knew I was man enough to go out on my own. What's your excuse? Do you pay rent to your Mom or just work it off by running the front desk at her beauty salon?

Beauty Salon? Is that even supposed to be funny???? I don't get fat nerd humor I guess.

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jparsh said:

What city you from? Lets hear it. I know it's not Cleveland so where is it?

Cleveland, Motherfucker. I went to Mentor. Love Cleveland. But I got a real job and they sent me to New York. Luckily I had a mom that let me cross the street by myself, so I handled it ok.

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jparsh said:

He's "killing" me? LOL I see what the nerd convention on the message boards consider killing. So tell me, what city do you live in? Sioux falls?

Raised in Cleveland, live in New York. When my Mama saw I could get out of the twelfth grade on my own she knew I was man enough to go out on my own. What's your excuse? Do you pay rent to your Mom or just work it off by running the front desk at her beauty salon?

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@horse-balls said:

No true Clevelander wants to leave?

You mean Mama's Boys have to stay?

What city you from? Lets hear it. I know it's not Cleveland so where is it?

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jparsh said:

A lot of talk over the internet. You feel real safe down in your florida trailer park. And I never wanted to leave, no true Clevelander ever wants to leave. They love it here. So you're not a Browns fan, you're not a Clevelander. And my girl don't like fat guys, sorry. But I'm sure your cousin in the double wide next to yours is all you need. She's a real tiger in the sack I bet.

No true Clevelander wants to leave?

You mean Mama's Boys have to stay?

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@horse-balls said:

LMAO, Zombo's killing this guy! Dudes probably got a pimple for his dick and goes down to the Y just to wash the black guys jocks for them. It was nice of his mommy to get him a card at the Y though, LOL.

He's "killing" me? LOL I see what the nerd convention on the message boards consider killing. So tell me, what city do you live in? Sioux falls?

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/266117https://brownsboard.com/post/266117Thu, 12 Jan 2012 02:53:07 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Why We Need A Qb on Thu, 12 Jan 2012 02:48:36 GMT]]>LMAO, Zombo's killing this guy! Dudes probably got a pimple for his dick and goes down to the Y just to wash the black guys jocks for them. It was nice of his mommy to get him a card at the Y though, LOL.

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Zombo said:

There are more Ohio millionaires in Naples than there are in Cleveland. People that have the means buy homes down here. No one grows up down here hoping to buy a house in Cleveland.

Get over yourself, you're a Mama's boy that never left home because you weren't bright enough to get out of the neighborhood so now you call everyone a "pussy" that went on to a better life while you're getting tattoos that you think make you look tough while you ride the bench in your YMCA league.

If your "fiance" ever came down her for a week, she'd fuck my brains out and never leave. You could send her a Christmas card every year showing her your newest tattoo and I'd use it for a coaster for my margarita while she sucks a real dick for a change.

Zombo

A lot of talk over the internet. You feel real safe down in your florida trailer park. And I never wanted to leave, no true Clevelander ever wants to leave. They love it here. So you're not a Browns fan, you're not a Clevelander. And my girl don't like fat guys, sorry. But I'm sure your cousin in the double wide next to yours is all you need. She's a real tiger in the sack I bet.

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Zombo said:

Dude, I am the most accessible person on this site. Everyone knows me, I come to the tailgates every year. Like, I said, there's a map.

What am I supposed do, apologize for living in paradise while you are freezing your nuts off driving your Kia to the gym?

This forum is great for us out-of-towners. If I lived in Cleveland I'd talk to my next door neighbor about the Browns.

"Us People" again ... what, Browns fans? What, you've been living here all day 'cept for your three hour rectal exam at the Y.

What else can I do for you? Do you need to Skype me or something, will that make you feel better?

Z

Paradise? You mean that hell hole Florida? That place with one of the highest suicide rates in the country. LOL I'm not a pussy who's afraid of a little cold. Let me know when you have the balls to come up here. I'd knock the shit out of you if you had the balls to say something to my face. But I'd bet your one of those "hit me and I'll call the police" type bitches. You're not a clevelander, you have no business talking about Cleveland related issues. If you live anywhere other than Cleveland than shut the fuck about MY city. The cold makes your pussy hurt so you run to Florida.

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Zombo said:

Yay! Douchebag is back from playing basketball at the Y.

Z

Hey look, that pussy that is afraid of his own shadow. How does it feel being a little bitch? I guess it's hard to get into real life fights if your stuck in your moms basement all day. What a nice release the internet is for you people.

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@typicalbrowns said:

Once again, I respectfully disagree. Colt will start next year. You won't believe it when you see it, but he'll be there.

And hell yea all that was for McCoy. He isn't giving up on him. He isn't getting cut. He isn't being traded away.

Holmgren is saying it's evaluation time, and he's an idiot to think McCoy has shown his true potential. You kidding me? I hate bringing up the lack of offense every time, but the Browns offense blewwww. And it wasn't Colt's fault.

Care to make a small wager on whether or not Colt will be the starter next year or not? If you're one of the hundreds of people that live out of Cleveland Ohio then we can give each other our paypal accounts to satisfy the bet.

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@tour2ma said:

Now I am starting to think we should take at least one QB in every round... maybe one will end up being THE one... 😳

Sure a line is important, but all those teams have QB's that:

- are pretty fair at reading D's, making line calls and/ or calling audibles;

- have quick releases; and

- are nimble in the pocket.

The QB goes far in determining his line's chances of success in any given play... run or pass...

You mean Painter hasn't absorbed all the positive experience of bench warming behind a great QB on a great offense like Flynn has in GB??? 😎

While I do agree with the "commodity" part. "Proven"? Not so much... It doesn't really go with "growing and learning" does it?

It's called a F-O-R-U-M... People post O-P-I-N-I-O-N-S... People D-I-S-A-G-R-E-E...

Seems to me that by the time we got to the last piece, the first would have announced their retirement and we'd have to start all over again.

But that's me... and I've never been to GM school either...

Hopefully we won't "waste" any pick on any position, but if (and, yes, it's a very big if) the #4 could get us Luck or P. Manning, I'm pretty sure I'd "risk" it... Wouldn't you?

First, Holmgren drafted Colt.... spent a third round pick on him (a fairly valuable pick), so what else would he say? "We're just marking time with Colt, if I had it to do over again..." is not really an option is it?

Second, everything, including the Colt comments, is generic GM-speak 101... It's like Paul was sitting next to 'Crash' Davis in the back of the bus on the ride home from Pittsburgh...

No, everything was NOT "generic GM-speak 101". That tells me you didnt watch the video or just skimmed over it so you could talk shit. Holmgren addressed almost all of the questions he was asked as best he could and talked about personal experience with a number of different QBs as an indicator of the fact that it takes time to find and develop the right one. He even called some of them by name and spoke about his experience having won the bowl before. he talked about his personal mantra on how to build a team. It was anything but generic, it was actually pretty honest and straightforward. Its an insult to just sum up all 75 minutes of the interview and call it generic GM talk. Ignorant.

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jparsh said:

So in other words you pick and choose which ways you look at things. Kinda like a christian picking out the parts of the bible they agree with and are OK with following.

In one breath we have you saying that a bad QB's were the reason the Panthers and Colts did poorly...Ok, I can agree with that. In fact I'm the one that said bad QB's were the cause of their crappy teams. But then in the next breath you try to give some excuses of why Colt isn't the same way. Nobody can justify Colt as a good QB, all they can do is say the team was bad all the way around. I said it before and I'll say it again. He is not, nor will he be judged on the performance of the team. His film will be looked at and his accuracy, decisions, reads and so on and so on will be judged. And apparently it's already been judged. And it was decided that he's not the future QB. So while there is a legit debate for whether or not the Browns will take Griffin or not, and there's a debate whether or not Griffin will be good or not, I'll buy that. But I won't buy anything that defends Colt. He's already been deemed not worthy of being our starting QB, case closed.

Deemed unworthy? By whom? By you and I?

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jparsh said:

Once again, no argument FOR McCoy, just excuses. I guess you guys don't know how it works. The coaches, Gm's and president have game film. They can see Colt and tell how he's going through his progressions based on his decisions and they can see his accuracy even with drops. The choice the Browns have made to move on from Colt has nothing to do with how bad the team was. They made the choice because Colt just isn't good enough.

Once again, I respectfully disagree. Colt will start next year. You won't believe it when you see it, but he'll be there.

And hell yea all that was for McCoy. He isn't giving up on him. He isn't getting cut. He isn't being traded away.

Holmgren is saying it's evaluation time, and he's an idiot to think McCoy has shown his true potential. You kidding me? I hate bringing up the lack of offense every time, but the Browns offense blewwww. And it wasn't Colt's fault.

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