@typicalbrowns said:

We won't "give up" picks by not taking Griffin. If anything, we "free up" picks by not taking him.

1ST ROUND

1.LB

2.WR

3.DE

THAT, is a sexy first round. It's ALL the browns bad spots covered with players worthy of 1st round picks. 50% of our problems are fixed with these positions filled in.

Wait, we still have even more picks? HELL YEAH! now lets get a CB/FS,RT THEN........drumroll please.....a QB. IIIIIFFFFFF he's worth it, mainly because I'd rather get another WR before a QB.

We must build a team dude. Not start over with a QB in the 1st! Automatically meaning he will start.

But you'd really want to take a chance on drafting any of those guys? What if they're busts? It would set us back hundreds of years.

@kosar_for_president said:

WTF?

Football Championship Subdivision

It's like a step downward from D1, so even a worse ranking for a defense Griffin "bedazzled"

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

Stephen F. Austin- ranked #14 in FCS in total defense.

WTF?

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

TCU- ranked #32 in total defense.

Stephen F. Austin- ranked #14 in FCS in total defense.

Rice- ranked #111 in total defense.

Kansas State- ranked #72 in total defense.

Iowa State- ranked #95 in total defense.

Texas A&M- ranked #59 in total defense.

Oklahoma State- ranked #107 in total defense.

Missouri- ranked #61 in total defense.

Kansas- ranked #120 (dead last) in total defense.

Oklahoma- ranked #55 in total defense.

Texas Tech- ranked #114 in total defense.

Texas- ranked #11 in total defense.

Washington- ranked #106 in total defense.

They played one team in the top 15 in defense. Two in the top 50.

7 in the bottom 70. 5 that were ranked worse than #100.

I was looking for this, good thing someone posted the rankings.

What pathetic defenses. I actually didn't think the Ds he played were THAT bad.

5 of them are in the 100s. hahahahahah

Stephen F. Austin- ranked #14 in FCS in total defense.

Rice- ranked #111 in total defense.

Kansas State- ranked #72 in total defense.

Iowa State- ranked #95 in total defense.

Texas A&M- ranked #59 in total defense.

Oklahoma State- ranked #107 in total defense.

Missouri- ranked #61 in total defense.

Kansas- ranked #120 (dead last) in total defense.

Oklahoma- ranked #55 in total defense.

Texas Tech- ranked #114 in total defense.

Texas- ranked #11 in total defense.

Washington- ranked #106 in total defense.

They played one team in the top 15 in defense. Two in the top 50.

7 in the bottom 70. 5 that were ranked worse than #100.

jparsh said:

Yup, we've been burnt by the draft just like every other team has been. The thing I don't understand is what people want. Are we afraid of busts at the top of the draft so we always want to trade all our 1st round picks for 5th rounders, then it doesn't hurt when they bust? You have to keep going at it, not give up on first round picks. So if you have a top pick in the draft, use it on the player who has the potential to most help your team. Pretty simple.

We won't "give up" picks by not taking Griffin. If anything, we "free up" picks by not taking him.

1ST ROUND

1.LB

2.WR

3.DE

THAT, is a sexy first round. It's ALL the browns bad spots covered with players worthy of 1st round picks. 50% of our problems are fixed with these positions filled in.

Wait, we still have even more picks? HELL YEAH! now lets get a CB/FS,RT THEN........drumroll please.....a QB. IIIIIFFFFFF he's worth it, mainly because I'd rather get another WR before a QB.

We must build a team dude. Not start over with a QB in the 1st! Automatically meaning he will start.

@typicalbrowns said:

Alrighty Jparsh, you're new. You're a little flabbergasted at how people talk on here, but that's actually why this is the best site to talk, debate, and yes, argue football.

I FOR ONE am a little suprised you're wanting RG3 when, as you stated being a longtime fan, the Browns usually get screwed in the draft, especially first round hype. Ala Brady Quinn, Braylon, Kellen, Couch.

This draft is for starter ready talent. there is NO room for error. The Browns NEED talent everywhere. We want a sure-thing EVERY round. It is INSANE to think just from RG3s "highlights" (watch all of them btw, and see how easy it is for RG3 to stroll around in the pocket, running around like a flag waver with the football, Reminds me of what I did in the backyard) and you think those are competitive, fast, alert defenses? Of course they're "college level" defenses. But Baylor's lowest score this year was, what, 24 points? That's the most the Browns scored all fricking year. Big 12 is not known for defense. The NFL is. lol and you think Griffin's flashy style of play will translate to the NFL? Where the CBs, some LBS, hell even some DEs are about as fast as him.

Also, when this guy runs the ball, why is there no one ever near him? It's like he has a 15 yd cushion on some highlights. It's cause the defenses blow. Please look at Baylor's schedule results. Tell me the final scores aren't reflective of poor to almost no defense at all with some scores. You, sir, are trying to think like a normal NFL fan. But a browns fan....sadly...isn't the same. We have to be smart draft-wise, not trigger happy to get the flavor of the month!

McCoy is our boy.

Yup, we've been burnt by the draft just like every other team has been. The thing I don't understand is what people want. Are we afraid of busts at the top of the draft so we always want to trade all our 1st round picks for 5th rounders, then it doesn't hurt when they bust? You have to keep going at it, not give up on first round picks. So if you have a top pick in the draft, use it on the player who has the potential to most help your team. Pretty simple.

That Butthurt form is awesome.

jparsh said:

Never pussied out of a bet, you're a little bitch who's afraid to meet up to prove a bet. But keep saying that you live in SC, perhaps in a year when you turn 20 you'll somehow move to cleveland and be willing to take me up on that bet. LOL

I've got my money ready to go, I live in Lakewood. My guess by your lack of vocabulary and juvenile jokes that you're right around 15 years old. I have some nieces and nephews that were around that age a few years ago, I know how they act and you're a spitting image of it. No question. If you are indeed an adult, I feel sorry for you. You never bothered growing up or raising your intelligence level.

Keep digging a hole. You're looking like a shining star there, baby.

jparsh said:

The thing is that I'm not saying anything other than they should draft RG3 if he's there at 4. I prefer Luck a hell of a lot more to Griffin but I know he'll be gone, so no point in even bringing that up.

Someone told me that people on this board don't like winners, I guess they were right. They're losers in life and love having loser sports teams. Personally, with all I have going on in my life it's not going to feed my son or pay for his college someday if the Browns win a super bowl. I've just been waiting since '86 to see a winner and god damn it, I want one before I die. LOL

Alrighty Jparsh, you're new. You're a little flabbergasted at how people talk on here, but that's actually why this is the best site to talk, debate, and yes, argue football.

I FOR ONE am a little suprised you're wanting RG3 when, as you stated being a longtime fan, the Browns usually get screwed in the draft, especially first round hype. Ala Brady Quinn, Braylon, Kellen, Couch.

This draft is for starter ready talent. there is NO room for error. The Browns NEED talent everywhere. We want a sure-thing EVERY round. It is INSANE to think just from RG3s "highlights" (watch all of them btw, and see how easy it is for RG3 to stroll around in the pocket, running around like a flag waver with the football, Reminds me of what I did in the backyard) and you think those are competitive, fast, alert defenses? Of course they're "college level" defenses. But Baylor's lowest score this year was, what, 24 points? That's the most the Browns scored all fricking year. Big 12 is not known for defense. The NFL is. lol and you think Griffin's flashy style of play will translate to the NFL? Where the CBs, some LBS, hell even some DEs are about as fast as him.

Also, when this guy runs the ball, why is there no one ever near him? It's like he has a 15 yd cushion on some highlights. It's cause the defenses blow. Please look at Baylor's schedule results. Tell me the final scores aren't reflective of poor to almost no defense at all with some scores. You, sir, are trying to think like a normal NFL fan. But a browns fan....sadly...isn't the same. We have to be smart draft-wise, not trigger happy to get the flavor of the month!

McCoy is our boy.

@nw220 said:

jprash your posts are all spot on about RG3,there is just alot of people on here that dont like him..All you need to know is that your arguing with someone who has a thread about Alshon Jeffery being a comprasion to Calvin Johnson thats all you need to know..

The thing is that I'm not saying anything other than they should draft RG3 if he's there at 4. I prefer Luck a hell of a lot more to Griffin but I know he'll be gone, so no point in even bringing that up.

Someone told me that people on this board don't like winners, I guess they were right. They're losers in life and love having loser sports teams. Personally, with all I have going on in my life it's not going to feed my son or pay for his college someday if the Browns win a super bowl. I've just been waiting since '86 to see a winner and god damn it, I want one before I die. LOL

@nw220 said:

jprash your posts are all spot on about RG3,there is just alot of people on here that dont like him..All you need to know is that your arguing with someone who has a thread about Alshon Jeffery being a comprasion to Calvin Johnson thats all you need to know..

ZING!

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

So stating where I was born and raised in an attempt to actually meet up is making an excuse?

its more likely that you realized your bet was made on an erroneous assumption and you're quickly realizing you would, indeed, lose your money.

Welcome to the Browns Board, you'll fit right in with Rich, who also pusses out on bets.

Never pussied out of a bet, you're a little bitch who's afraid to meet up to prove a bet. But keep saying that you live in SC, perhaps in a year when you turn 20 you'll somehow move to cleveland and be willing to take me up on that bet. LOL

I've got my money ready to go, I live in Lakewood. My guess by your lack of vocabulary and juvenile jokes that you're right around 15 years old. I have some nieces and nephews that were around that age a few years ago, I know how they act and you're a spitting image of it. No question. If you are indeed an adult, I feel sorry for you. You never bothered growing up or raising your intelligence level.

jparsh said:

I knew you'd make up some excuse not to show up. LOL

Saying you live in SC isn't one I expected though.

So stating where I was born and raised in an attempt to actually meet up is making an excuse?

its more likely that you realized your bet was made on an erroneous assumption and you're quickly realizing you would, indeed, lose your money.

Welcome to the Browns Board, you'll fit right in with Rich, who also pusses out on bets.

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

I live in Myrtle Beach, South Carolina. Let's say we meet at Charlotte International Airport. You set the date.

I'd fly further, but I'm apparently a lowly teenager and you have money to throw around.

Let's make it interesting, how about we add another $500 for every year older or younger than 19 I am.

I knew you'd make up some excuse not to show up. LOL

Saying you live in SC isn't one I expected though.

jparsh said:

Well, I've stated before that I really got into football in '86. So lets do some math and see if I'm a teenager or not. And I'm the same way on this site as I am in real life, no doubt. If you only knew me. LOL

And your comments lead to me to have zero doubt that you're a teenager. Like I said, I've got a grand on it. If you want to meet up and prove who you are then you've got yourself a grand if you're older than 19. My guess is that you'll come up with an excuse of why you can't meet up and prove it. One reason is that you've never seen a $1,000 in your life so you wouldn't have it to pay up on the bet. And the other more obvious reason is that you wouldn't make a bet that you know you're going to lose. But I'm game on going through with the bet if you are. I live on the west side whenever you want to prove it and go through with the bet.

I live in Myrtle Beach, South Carolina. Let's say we meet at Charlotte International Airport. You set the date.

I'd fly further, but I'm apparently a lowly teenager and you have money to throw around.

Let's make it interesting, how about we add another $500 for every year older or younger than 19 I am.

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

I'm not the first person to disagree with your idiotic reasoning, and I sure won't be the last. Try not to get butthurt about it. Judging from your quick assumption that I am a teenager, my guess is you are one yourself. Late teens, maybe freshman in college. In other words, just putting on your big boy pants.

In the words of the ever famous Michael Clarke Duncan, "When you assume, you make an asshole out of yourself."

I'd take that $1,000 dollars now, but I wouldn't want to drain your life's savings.

As for your dismissive, "holier than thou" attitude...can it. You'll find that people will actually respect you in life if you're humble. But my guess is that's not the way you act in real life, you only strap on a set of nuts when you're talking to people through the internet. That's okay...you'll grow a pair one day. If you're lucky.

Furthermore, we will not be drafting RG3. RG3 will not have the same success as Cam Newton, and will be nothing more than Troy Smith 2.0.

Thank you for playing.

Well, I've stated before that I really got into football in '86. So lets do some math and see if I'm a teenager or not. And I'm the same way on this site as I am in real life, no doubt. If you only knew me. LOL

And your comments lead to me to have zero doubt that you're a teenager. Like I said, I've got a grand on it. If you want to meet up and prove who you are then you've got yourself a grand if you're older than 19. My guess is that you'll come up with an excuse of why you can't meet up and prove it. One reason is that you've never seen a $1,000 in your life so you wouldn't have it to pay up on the bet. And the other more obvious reason is that you wouldn't make a bet that you know you're going to lose. But I'm game on going through with the bet if you are. I live on the west side whenever you want to prove it and go through with the bet.

irony at its finest. screaming at someone "youre not listening to me" whilst plugging ones own ears and singin la di da....

jparsh said:

Wow, I wasn't aware that I was talking to highschoolers here. I guess someone new pops up and makes sense so that scares the stupid people around here. Say something intelligent and you'll be taken serious. Right now I've got $1,000 that says you're a teenager. I don't talk to kids.

I'm not the first person to disagree with your idiotic reasoning, and I sure won't be the last. Try not to get butthurt about it. Judging from your quick assumption that I am a teenager, my guess is you are one yourself. Late teens, maybe freshman in college. In other words, just putting on your big boy pants.

In the words of the ever famous Michael Clarke Duncan, "When you assume, you make an asshole out of yourself."

I'd take that $1,000 dollars now, but I wouldn't want to drain your life's savings.

As for your dismissive, "holier than thou" attitude...can it. You'll find that people will actually respect you in life if you're humble. But my guess is that's not the way you act in real life, you only strap on a set of nuts when you're talking to people through the internet. That's okay...you'll grow a pair one day. If you're lucky.

Furthermore, we will not be drafting RG3. RG3 will not have the same success as Cam Newton, and will be nothing more than Troy Smith 2.0.

Thank you for playing.

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

Can we change the name of this thread to "RG3- jparsh's boner crush"?

Wow, I wasn't aware that I was talking to highschoolers here. I guess someone new pops up and makes sense so that scares the stupid people around here. Say something intelligent and you'll be taken serious. Right now I've got $1,000 that says you're a teenager. I don't talk to kids.

@ppe6.6 said:

Jparsh, good point about Cam Newton and all the top QBs in the playoffs. How long have they been in the NFL? How long have they played on one team and had time to learn a systems? Do they have weapons? Does Cam Newton have 6 wins without the receivers he has??? RG3 sure did look good in all the games where 2 offenses scored 150 points combined. I wonder how he would've done this year against the steelers or ravens defense with our lackluster offense? Not to mention a new head coach, a new system to learn and lack of time to practice due to the lockout? bringing a new QB in every 2 years hasnt worked for how long now??? Eh....might as well keep it up until one year when the all stars align and hell freezes over we'll draft one that will be thrown into our garbage system with 0 talent and he'll win us a superbowl.

The two most important people to have in place for years on end are the GM and coach, in that order. You can switch up QB's and should keep switching them until you find the right guy. What sets you back further, keeping the wrong QB in place for a year longer than you felt like you should have or having a new QB come in until you get a guy that proves he's got the skills to be an elite guy in this league?

I don't know about Cam having 6 wins without his receivers, but I do know that his receivers don't have 6 wins without him. So we have cold hard facts we can deal with, why deal in hypotheticals when you don't have to?