@brownb499 said:

Let me add another twist

Luck,Griffen,and Blackmon are gone...And we do trade down.

Would you be willing to face Claiborne or Kalil, twice a year , in exchange for Cincinnati's 2 firsts and their third plus their second next year?

That gives us four picks in the top 36...We could fill alot of holes....But ...trade with a division rival? Would You?

No. And the Bengals won't trade up, they've made about zero draft day trades, though both their firsts for the Browns first is about fair value.

And I misunderstood. If Luck, RG III, and Blackmon go 1-2-3, you've put the Browns in an untenable situation with Kalil on the board, and no opportunity to trade out of the pick. Ain't happening folks- you don't draft a stud LT to make him your RT. In that scenario the Browns would take about any viable trade down offer, or go defense with the pick- and not Clayborne either.

Looking at the draft value chart, interesting stuff. The Rams are unlikely to draft RG III. For the qb needy Redskins to make the jump, it's going to cost them the first this year, next year, and a second to move up to #2 to get him. For the Browns to make that move, it's both first rounders this year, plus one of our fourth rounders.

@brownb499 said:

Let me add another twist

Luck,Griffen,and Blackmon are gone...And we do trade down.

Would you be willing to face Claiborne or Kalil, twice a year , in exchange for Cincinnati's 2 firsts and their third plus their second next year?

That gives us four picks in the top 36...We could fill alot of holes....But ...trade with a division rival? Would You?

No way would they give up that much. Even if we could get their 2 firsts this year, and even just say their second next or their third this year (either one) I would do it. Sure you're essentially handing them Kalil or Claiborne, but I feel it is more important to improve our own team than it is to worry about a division rival.

I would definitely do the trade you offered, I would even take a little less for reasons above.

Luck,Griffen,and Blackmon are gone...And we do trade down.

Would you be willing to face Claiborne or Kalil, twice a year , in exchange for Cincinnati's 2 firsts and their third plus their second next year?

That gives us four picks in the top 36...We could fill alot of holes....But ...trade with a division rival? Would You?

@feartheroo said:

I do know LSU defense is one of the best. But in the NFL he'd be facing similar defenses all season long. Not to mention the Steelers and Ravens 2x. Even if he ran for 150 the first game he was unable to find the endzone, something the Browns can't seem to do either. With a bad o-line, power backs will succeed and a speed back like Richardson will get stuffed at the line.

Richardson has some power too. Have you seen the guy he is built and runs players over as well.

@harry-buffalo said:

Do remember though LSU had one of the best defenses in the nation this year and the first time they played I think Richardson had something like 150 yards rushing.

I do know LSU defense is one of the best. But in the NFL he'd be facing similar defenses all season long. Not to mention the Steelers and Ravens 2x. Even if he ran for 150 the first game he was unable to find the endzone, something the Browns can't seem to do either. With a bad o-line, power backs will succeed and a speed back like Richardson will get stuffed at the line.

@brownindian said:

An O-Line merely gives the QB decent time to throw. It is still upto the QB to make the perfect throw and the WR's to get separation.

yeah i know. i'm just saying without one there is no running game or no passing game.

RBs IMO don't deserve first round consideration unless they're a guarateed 10 year back. too many other important holes to fill.

i forget who said it (i think it was jimmy johnson) that you could turn a corner anywhere in the states and find a running back. it's the OL that makes the RB and for that matter makes the QB.

@feartheroo said:

I used to think Richardson would be a good pick at 4. But after the National Championship I have some doubts. We need a back with the ability to break runs with not very much space. Something Hillis was able to do. Richardson has speed, but vs. LSU he really was a non factor until scrub time. He was only averaging about 1yd a carry and sadly with the way the browns have been blocking, that it what we'll be seeing every week. I have a sick feeling they will trade down if the top 3 are taken, which I think they will be.

Do remember though LSU had one of the best defenses in the nation this year and the first time they played I think Richardson had something like 150 yards rushing.

@feartheroo said:

I used to think Richardson would be a good pick at 4. But after the National Championship I have some doubts. We need a back with the ability to break runs with not very much space. Something Hillis was able to do. Richardson has speed, but vs. LSU he really was a non factor until scrub time. He was only averaging about 1yd a carry and sadly with the way the browns have been blocking, that it what we'll be seeing every week. I have a sick feeling they will trade down if the top 3 are taken, which I think they will be.

I also had my doubts for most of the Championship Game. I think he was getting stacked on the run, hence his sub-par game and McCarron's impressive one. I have also always had doubts about his "4.4" speed, but he showed incredible speed/acceleration when he busted that touchdown run to the outside.

@clevelandbigdawg said:

OK, I personally believe we have to take an offensive playmaker here at No4. What do you do if our three most likely picks (if available) are all gone? And I am saying with both picks in round 1, and potentially round 2. NO TRADES

I think what we should do is grab Trent Richardson (assuming he declares) at 4. At 22 we grab Alshon Jeffry/Kendall Wright/Michael Floyd - whoever we are saying is the best and whoever is available at this point.

This will at least give Colt some weapons to work with, albeit they are all young.

At this point in round 2, you have to decide, is Colt your man, or assuming Ryan Tannehill is there, do you take him? If Colts the man - Grab the best Tackle available.

IMHO, This takes care of three major holes and the QB position hole could potentially work itself out if Colt just needs some weapons. If Colt ends up stinking it up, you grab a QB next year and already have playmakers for the rookie and what should be a very good OL.

Round 3 on I really dont care where we go.

Other positions we need to address are

DL - Someone opposite of Sheard

LB - We have basically 2, 1 servicable and one good one

CB - Someone opposite of Haden

S - Someone opposite of Ward

OG - LG and/or RG - depends on what we think of Lauvao and Pinkston or if we keep Steinbach

WR - a burner, unless we take Wright, in that case a big WR.

QB - They said they wanted someone to compete with Colt, and a mid-late round pick could push him.

If Blackmon is there at 4 he is hands down the best pick. If not Richardson (if he declares) is the next best option. I also agree at 22 that you have to take the best available receiver. Next, if the Browns are going to draft a quarterback this year then I think Tannehill at the top of the 2nd round isn't a bad idea. I'm not an RGIII whatsoever but I do like the idea of a big, prototypical quarterback to push Colt immediately and replace him need be. I think linebacker is our next biggest need in the 2nd round if you don't make a move on Tannehill.

If the Browns go to 6/7 and take Coples, that should still be a winning draft. Then take Wright at 22 and Minnifield at the top of 2.

@poeticg said:

The Browns were sitting at 7 last year and I'm sure if we could have moved up and got AJ Green we would have. The price to jump up from seven to say 5th is just to costly, a lot more costly than just another second rounder.

There's no way we jump all the way down to 10 without making them give up the farm...

You mean move from 6th to 4th, and that would have been impossible cause the Bengals obviously wanted him. We would have had to trade up to 3rd or higher and that would have cost too much.

There's no way we jump all the way down to 10 without making them give up the farm...

The same is likely to happen here as well.

Of course, we don't know who Heckert has on his list...but lets say he would be willing to take either RGIII or Blackmon, and they are both gone...I say he trades down for more picks to fill more holes.

If the Browns went down to 10 and got a Dre Kirkpatrick....and another 2d rounder, that might be great.

@hoorta said:

So you really, REALLY want a running back @ #4 well, again sorry Charlie. Two questions- and look them up- which running back led the NFL in rushing, and his team didn't make the playoffs? OTOH, which team in the NFL (which is the odds on favorite to win the SB) BEST RB is ranked 39th in the NFL- lower than Peyton Hillis, I might add?

Arian Foster, who led the NFL last year, was an undrafted free agent.

@ballpeen said:

If that's how it panned out, I go Clayborne.

Good call IMO

@harry-buffalo said:

People saying not to take a RB at 4 need to understand what this guy is asking here. If we ARE NOT trading back a few spots who do you take at 4 today. Right now considering all 3 WR's Jeffery (hardly worth a 5ht round pick in my opinion), Floyd, or Wright are all mid to late first round picks and Richardson is a top 10, you take Richardson. I completely agree that the running game doesn't have as much an affect on whether or not a team makes it to the playoffs like it used to, but it certainly helps and since their are no WR available deserving to selection you take Richardson, especially if Hillis doesn't resign with the team. Then with the next pick you take WR and with the 2nd round pick I do say you take RT if a few choice players are off the board, such as Minnfield CB, Hightower LB ect.

Thank you Harry Buffalo

I realize it is unlikely that both StL and Minn pass on Kalil, but if StL grabs Blackmon and then Minn trades down with Wsh I don't think it is that unfeasible that these 3 players are off the board. As the Browns I dont think you take a RT at No4 overall. The Cardinals grabbed Levi Brown real early and he played RT in his first three seasons and was nothing spectacular. No one is going to force Joe Thomas over to RT today, unless we get Jake Long and that is still up for debate. Claiborne is a possibility, but I dont see us using 2 top 10 picks on our CBs.

Basically here is how our options pan out IMO.

Kalil - I already explained why I dont think so

Claiborne - 2 top 10 CBs on a team does sound nasty, but not sure

Richardson - I explained why he is my choice

Coples - We do need a DE opposite of Sheard, but I would much rather wait until at least our 22 pick to address that ass I think there are plenty of other options for DE.

Floyd - Do we reach for him? I say no

Upshaw/Burfict - I think we can wait till 22 and still be able to grab one of the two, or Zach Brown, Luke Keuchly, Don'ta Hightower, etc. This draft is plenty deep in LBs if you ask me.

I still say somehow we are either going to get Kalil or J. Martin for our first pick and then hopefully Dennard or Jeffery for our 2nd pick. Stopping the pass is really going to be so important in stopping some of these QB first offenses...and I am not really sold on our boys back there until i see us improve our run D.

1a) Kalil

1b) Dennard(would pick up Alshon here, but he will be gone before the 10th pick, he has much more upside than blackmon)

2) Dwight Jones

3) Nick Perry

4) Marquis Maze(not really worried because we will get Hunter next year... improves our special teams)

5) B.Pierce (better than A. peterson)

6) Janzen Jackson (sleeper pick..if he stayed with TN he would have been a top 60 pick)

7) Halhuni FB