@represent said:

If he falls to 37 would you guys take him there?

I might be interested not sold on but interested.

IDK. He is interesting. I feel like he is a better option that Tannehill. He has a rocket arm and is fairly accurate but his mechanics are all kinds of fucked up.

I might be interested not sold on but interested.

bring in tony pike who is unrestricted (w/o team) see what he's got. better arm than mccoy, tall like DA but smart. who knows?

@the-gipper said:

You just described the Cleveland Browns offense of 2011.

Again, the question is: is it the QB or the offense he is being asked to call.

I believe that Colt McCoy was fully capable of making longer throws downfield, he just wasn't allowed to that much.

This guy may be able to too, if he were allowed.

To me, he is kind of Ryan Mallet like.

Drafting a QB because he "may be" able to throw downfield accurately is a crapshoot. That's what you do when you have a franchise QB in place. Unfortunately, we're not in that position.

Then again, nobody in this year's draft class has stood out, so taking Osweiler later may work out.

Now, by all means, let the RG3 homers get all butthurt that I haven't praised Sir Griffin III.

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

No.

Arizona State's play caller during that game was a 12 year old Madden player.

Swing pass, swing pass, swing pass, dive, PA swing pass, bubble screen, swing pass.

That would make any QBs stats look good. Unfortunately, an NFL QB it does not make.

You just described the Cleveland Browns offense of 2011.

Again, the question is: is it the QB or the offense he is being asked to call.

I believe that Colt McCoy was fully capable of making longer throws downfield, he just wasn't allowed to that much.

This guy may be able to too, if he were allowed.

To me, he is kind of Ryan Mallet like.

@the-gipper said:

Here are highlights of his game vs. USC.

He seems to have decent touch and a quick release. He is also a better runner, more athletic than I thought he might be. His arm strength seems to be an issue only because on this film I do not see where he is at all asked to throw very far downfield. This looks like Pat Shurmur's offense of dinks and dunks...so maybe he would be a perfect fit here?

This video screams 'WTF, tell this me guy ain't a 6'8 version of Colt McCoy at Texas '

I'll pass...

Also, all this QB talk is pointless

I'm pretty sure we are holding out for Denard

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

No.

Arizona State's play caller during that game was a 12 year old Madden player.

Swing pass, swing pass, swing pass, dive, PA swing pass, bubble screen, swing pass.

That would make any QBs stats look good. Unfortunately, an NFL QB it does not make.

OK, he's more mobile than DA, I'll grant him that. Fairly good velocity on his passes, but like you said I want to see more than swing passes to backs. Like can you look off a saftey, and read defenses? Looks like a not over the top throwing motion either, which negates some of his height.

If he lasts to low 4th round, sure take a flyer on him. He may not last that long, but I doubt I saw first round talent.

@poeticg said:

A lot of people get caught up in throwing motion and mechanics but IF you can get the ball where it needs to go, who cares what it looks like getting there? Wasn't Kosar the poster child for ugly?- but he could still deliver the ball.

Agreed you can get it done with an ugly throwing motion, i just dont know if his release is quick enough but i wont doubt him that he cant succeed at the next level..

Arizona State's play caller during that game was a 12 year old Madden player.

Swing pass, swing pass, swing pass, dive, PA swing pass, bubble screen, swing pass.

That would make any QBs stats look good. Unfortunately, an NFL QB it does not make.

That said, his release is nowhere close to being ready. He really doesn't look like a natural Quarterback. It's going to take a few years on the bench to get him ready. I hate drafting guys who have to completely rework a throwing motion, it almost never works because when the pressure is on they usually revert back to what they did for years in high school and college.

I don't know who is going to draft him in the first round. I can't see a good team passing over a potential contributor for a project like him that early.

He seems to have decent touch and a quick release. He is also a better runner, more athletic than I thought he might be. His arm strength seems to be an issue only because on this film I do not see where he is at all asked to throw very far downfield. This looks like Pat Shurmur's offense of dinks and dunks...so maybe he would be a perfect fit here?

Zombo said:

I'm saying the difference between 6'6" and 6'8" is not probably much of a competitive advantage because there aren't too many lineman taller than 6'6". But you sure are a big target back there for a lineman spinning around ... I think Ben takes a lot of sacks because of his size. This guy better have a quick release or he's going to get a pounding. He may be "mobile", but I doubt he's "elusive".

Zombo

Sure, as long as he can move in the pocket to avoid the rush like BR or Brady or Manning, fine. He doesn't have to be Cam Newton or Michael Vick or Tim Tebow.

As long as he can do that I would think his height would be an advantage against those 6'6" defensive linemen. In theory.

Zombo said:

Anderson was a 6th round waiver wire refugee who had a nice season and brought some smiles around here, then crashed to earth.

Quinn is the one Browns fans should "hate", if anyone. He cost us a ransom and gave us nothing.

I wasn't surprised that Chud went out and got DA to back up Newton in Carolina.

I also wasn't surprised that Quinn couldn't beat out a fullback to play quarterback in Denver.

As for Brock Ostrich ...only saw him play once, wasn't particularly impressed, but that doesn't mean anything ... but that's almost too tall for a QB isn't it? Gives pass rushers quite a target without adding any real advantage to seeing the field, imo.

Zombo

If height does not give a QB an advantage in seeing the field, then why are NFL people always looking for taller QBs? And why would some argue that lack of height is a detriment to a QB seeing the field?

I mean, that attitude kept Doug Flutie out of the NFL for years...when clearly he showed he belonged in the NFL once he got here.

@brownsfan said:

My 2 cents why people dislike DA is the reality that he was only good for about 8 games in 2007. Once the league figured out he couldn't hit anything but the deep passes, or read a D to save his live, they started playing cover 3 on him and he was done. Even with all that CLE then over paid him, rather than moving him when his stock was higher than his actual ability. I guess in the end fans should be more upset with that management than DA.

Thank you, that's how I feel. Sorry to the OP, I didn't mean to derail the thread, but I think that needed to be pointed out. I am not defending DA, I just think he receives more criticism than he should. I mean, didn't people cheer when he was lying on the field injured? That's a little too harsh. And certainly doesn't deserve to be put in the same category as Lebron as one poster suggested. (edit) Don't get me wrong, I was screaming at my TV as much as the next person watching throw some of those INT's, I still think fans were too hard on him. Not having enough talent to live up to expections, and pulling the heart out of Cleveland fans , are two totally different things.

@rgiii-to-da-c-l-e said:

Hmmm... He only threw 13 INTs last year, huh?

So why would the Browns draft him late in the 1st when they could do what's necessary to get the guy at the top of the draft who threw 17 picks in his entire three year playing career?

Sometimes we Browns fans like to complicate matters. I refuse to accept it this year. Draft RGIII.

I didn't realize you ran the Cleveland Browns.

So why would the Browns draft him late in the 1st when they could do what's necessary to get the guy at the top of the draft who threw 17 picks in his entire three year playing career?

Sometimes we Browns fans like to complicate matters. I refuse to accept it this year. Draft RGIII.

@tour2ma said:

First question... what's his football IQ?

I don't care if he's 6'6", if he's a football dunce, any pick would be a waste... On the other hand you might be able to convert him to TE...

As for DA... he was a dunce. Got away with being a first read wonder for one-year, then it was all downhill.

Actually, he is 6'8". Can you say "Dan McGwire"?

@neo said:

To be fair, it's not like we drafted DA in the first round and he had all this hype, then came in and totally shit the bed. He was a 6th round draft choice that we got off of someone else's waiver wire. I mean, what are the expectations for a 6th round quarterback NOT named Tom Brady? We got one winning season out of a 6th rounder, I would say that was bonus. We drafted McCoy in the 3rd, and we are getting whats expected out of a 3rd round guy. We got more out of DA than we got out of McCoy so far.

After the year he had in 2007, we expected Tom Brady....or at least the 2007 version of DA.