@heckofajobbrownie said:

I own a marijuana dispensary/natural grocery/abortion clinic in Humboldt County, California. Stop by and I'll give you a discount.

How can anyone trust what you have to say when you cannot even tell the truth.

So we can just assume that you are a paid political Hack?

@mld-woody said:

What does everyone do?

Maybe we should have a thread that shoes occupation, age, education

I own a Bait store by Mosquito lake. I'm the Master Baiter.

any logic going for you on any issue. You like to "call" it logic, because it make you feel better

since I pointed out how you emote instead of rationally appraise situations and issues.

To you libs, Obamao still is a magic fairy princess with a magic twanger, who can do no wrong,

since he is your kind of god.

Objectivity has never been a part of your thought processes, you don't seem to have many ways to convince

others that you are correct...outside of the usual false images and assumptions. And your emotional

frantic rants are completely subjective. But, naturally you feel you are superior in all ways.

Libs are just gutless cowards who can't bring themselves to believe in any single aspect of American life.

That's why they have to make it completely different if they can't. That would vindicate their manufactured arrogance.

Did I mention already that they are completely devoid of decent, consciencious thought, and that they reek of fermented skunkberries? @@

Maybe we should have a thread that shoes occupation, age, education

@vaportrail said:

I think Woody's got his head up his ass when it comes to gun control because he hasn't put together a cohesive argument for his views. On this forum, I find that most of the views I'm arguing against are arguments of ignorance.

I said I am not sure. Do I have to be sure about everything?

I can give you a range I think is right...

Cal.........conservatives.......me........liberals............hippies

I wouldn't even let someone know about all of his posts in here should he ever be up for confirmation. We need more of him on the other side, not less, even though I completely disagree with him on some issues.

@westside-steve said:

Against you?

On your side?

Do you think these guys are in lockstep with your ideology? Or me with anyone else here?

WSS

When I first came to the forum and posted my toxic liberal faggot views, a bunch of posters ganged up on me. Heck was posting more rarely at the time so it was a little much for me. As for why I typically find myself on the same side of an argument as heck or woody is because they also use logic and evidence to fuel their arguments. Whereas, when I see stuff from cal and T, I see gut emotional reactions from under a tin foil hat. I'm trying to argue with you in other threads, but right now you're changing the subject every time I come back to the same point I'm trying to make. I don't always agree with heck and woody though, for example, I think Woody's got his head up his ass when it comes to gun control because he hasn't put together a cohesive argument for his views. On this forum, I find that most of the views I'm arguing against are arguments of ignorance.

I'm saying for a while I was the only voice that wasn't from the right wing, or the extreme right wing, or where you are - the "I'm not really for anything, just don't like liberals" wing. Now Vapor and Woody are in here, using sound, evidence-based arguments, and even something that's plainly obvious, like that Cal is insane and noxious, must mean something about him trying to win "dog treats."

Of course, you agree that Cal is horribly lost, you just don't say so.

@heckofajobbrownie said:

It's funny that you all like it when it's all of you against me, but when Vapor starts posting, and then Woody

Against you?

On your side?

Do you think these guys are in lockstep with your ideology? Or me with anyone else here?

WSS

They hate that.

@heckofajobbrownie said:

Woody speaks his mind. So what? You guys can't take more than one person who thinks you're all exceedingly uninformed? Plus, he's being introduced to Cal, who is the most ignorant man I've ever met, for the first time. Trust me - as a liberal guy, it really does take some getting used to.

I don't even consider myself liberal and Cal baffles me daily

@westside-steve said:

Actually woody is just smart enough to know that all he need do is to insult cal and kiss Hecks butt for dog treats.

WSS

It's funny that you all like it when it's all of you against me, but when Vapor starts posting, and then Woody jumps in, somehow the fact that there are a few guys who are now on my side (for the most part) is too much to handle.

Woody speaks his mind. So what? You guys can't take more than one person who thinks you're all exceedingly uninformed? Plus, he's being introduced to Cal, who is the most ignorant man I've ever met, for the first time. Trust me - as a liberal guy, it really does take some getting used to.

win me over as a dem voter convert. it's what you do in real life, I think.

I think you get paid to figure out emotional arguments that are affective in

influencing the middle of the road voters.

I was in the military, I've said many times that I know there is a lot of waste.

There is more waste in our welfare and other entitlements systems.

But with you libs, the only waste in in the military, that you all don't respect a whit.

Meanwhile, as to John's point about why an Air Force...

Basically, the Air Force must exist because of SAC. Strategic Air Command. That's my opinion.

The other services can have their own transports and fighters...

but it doesn't seem to me, to be a place in any of the other services for the strategic bombers and missiles.

Although, that function IS tied in to the attack class nuclear warhead submarines in the Navy. Not a bad question, John.

But like with most things, to much centralized is too much bureaucratic inefficiency.

Combining the functionality of all the different services would be an unmanageable burden, so to what degree

is it most efficient to divide up the functionalities of our self defense systems?.

@mld-woody said:

I think he enjoys not being surrounded by idiots

Actually woody is just smart enough to know that all he need do is to insult cal and kiss Hecks butt for dog treats.

WSS

"But plan B is horrible and has these flaws"

"Right but I said A"

"How dare you keep talking about B, such a horrible plan"

"No, B is wrong for these reasons and I don't want to address it again"

"AH HA! You're backtracking. Why are you talking about B? I knew I was right"

You didn't inhale, correct?