@king-ghoolie-lives said:

Lerner selling is not our worry. Lerner MOVING, IS. And if anyone thinks it's can happen avain, then they are a simpleton.

Lerner is haintingly simular to teh owner ot the Indians in the movie Major League.

That's a scary thought, I wonder if they'll have a life size cutout of Lerner in the locker room with money bag stickers on him.

@baybrownsfan said:

Those New York Giants who just won the super bowl?

Wouldn't be the first time we beat the defending Super Bowl Chanpion Giants on their own turf.

@ballpeen said:

I said pretty much did. No, he never said he promised more wins.

This is what he said. I pulled the quote from the main site. You can find it in the transcript of the Thursday PC with the season ticket holders. The blurb is titled, Holmgren: Now is the time.

Sorry man, he set the bar.

I agree with him, we do need to be better than 6-10.

I agree with him too,but he didnt guarantee anything...MH isnt dumb.

@nickers said:

Show Me where he said he promised anything.

I said pretty much did. No, he never said he promised more wins.

This is what he said. I pulled the quote from the main site. You can find it in the transcript of the Thursday PC with the season ticket holders. The blurb is titled, Holmgren: Now is the time.

“Going from 4-12 to 6-10 isn’t good enough and that’s been conveyed,” Holmgren said. “I believe we are going to be better than that. We’re going to be a lot better than that.”

Sorry man, he set the bar.

I agree with him, we do need to be better than 6-10.

although i've been saying all along to draft claiborne at 4 blackmon may be the move. got a sense with the free agents we DID sign that offense will be this year's philosophy of the draft.

there's something about claiborne though. if he's drafted you might as well scratch cribbs from the special teams.

take a look at these stats for claiborne:

Morris Claiborne Bio

Courtesy: LSUsports.net (@LSUsports)

Release: 02/15/2012

2011 Thorpe Award Recipient

2011 Consensus First-Team All-America (AFCA Coaches', AP, FWAA, Sporting News, Walter Camp, ESPN.com, Rivals.com, CBSsports.com, FoxSportsNext.com, SI.com)

2011 Southeastern Conference Defensive Player of the Year (Coaches)

2011 First-Team All-SEC (AP, Coaches)

2011 Nagurski Award Finalist

2011 Walter Camp National Defensive Player of the Week (vs. Miss. State)

2010 Second-Team All-SEC (AP, Coaches)

CAREER

Capped his career as one of the top cornerbacks in school history ... Named the recipient of the prestigious Jim Thorpe Award in 2011 as the nation's top defensive back ... Became the second straight LSU player to earn the award, following Patrick Peterson who claimed the honor in 2010 ... Consensus All-America in 2011 after leading Tigers to 13-1 record, the SEC title and a spot in the national championship game ... Played in 33 games, starting 26 times ... Finished career with 95 tackles, 12 pass breakups and 11 interceptions ... Led the nation in interception return yardage in 2011 with 173 ... Tied for sixth in school history in career interceptions (11) and is second in interception return yards (274) ... Opted to forgo his senior season and made himself eligible for the 2012 NFL Draft following his junior season.

JUNIOR SEASON (2011)

Started all 14 games for the Tigers ... Registered 51 tackles, six pass breakups and six interceptions ... Led the nation in interception return yardage with 173 ... Ranked fifth in the SEC in kickoff returns with a 25.1 average ... Scored two TDs in 2011 ... Returned a kickoff 99 yards for a score against West Virginia and then returned an interception 45 yards for a touchdown against Georgia in the SEC Championship Game ... Returned an interception 89 yards against Tennessee, which ranked as the third-longest in school history ... The 89-yard return was the longest non-scoring return in school history ... Named the Walter Camp National Defensive Player of the Week following a 2-interception, 1-pass breakup game in win over Mississippi State ... Had six tackles in season-opening win over Oregon in the Cowboys Classic in Arlington, Texas ... Had six tackles, including a tackle for a 1-yard loss, in week 2 against Northwestern State ... Picked off a pass against Arkansas ... In first game against Alabama, returned an interception 33 yards.

not too shabby.

@brownfish said:

Pitts 2x 1 wins

Balt 2x 0 wins

Cincy 2x 1 win

Buff LOSS

dall LOSS

NYG WIN

Wash WIN

Philly WIN

Indy WIN

KC LOSS

Den LOSS

SD WIN

OAK WIN

8 WINS not bad

Those New York Giants who just won the super bowl?

Balt 2x 0 wins

Cincy 2x 1 win

Buff LOSS

dall LOSS

NYG WIN

Wash WIN

Philly WIN

Indy WIN

KC LOSS

Den LOSS

SD WIN

OAK WIN

8 WINS not bad

@timpiker said:

Holmgren is a pathetic old man taking money to sit on his butt and make excuses. His glory days are long gone and he's living on his past reputation.

He definitely got schooled by Snead (Rams GM). Rams set a deadline and if Holmgren would have made his offer sooner RG3 would be in Cleveland. We wanted to trade with Cleveland... they had the more attractive offer if you factor in the 2012 picks.

The other thing about Holmgren; his record as a coach is impressive. His record as a GM... 40-56.

@browns57 said:

I think we will have a great draft that will put us in really good position. I have a feeling that Heckert is going to trade down again. I am thinking with the Rams at 6. The Rams get the WR they need badly, and we get take Richardson at 6 and the Rams second round pick. Then we take the Best WR on the board at 22, an olineman, and a corner or LB in the second round. If we do that we could end up with 4 really good players.

If we can pull this off then I think Holmgren could be right and we do finish with at least 7 wins.

@thenew23 said:

Wouldn't get a 2nd rounder to trade down to 6. We could only get a 2 or 3 if we went down to 7 or farther. This is why I'm not sold on trading down this time when Blackmon will probably be there at 4 and WR is our biggest need.

I read a lot of Rams news... The Rams won't trade up. They like Richardson and Claiborne enough, if not more than Blackmon, honestly.

In fact, its more likely they trade down because one of those two (or Blackmon) will garner interest.

My 2 cents.

@timpiker said:

Holmgren is a pathetic old man taking money to sit on his butt and make excuses. His glory days are long gone and he's living on his past reputation.

Cant blame that in MH. Randy needs to be a bit more proactive. The guy flat out sucks!

@poeticg said:

With the number 4- don't mess around- just take Richardson if he's still there. If the Vikings get cute and take him then we're screwed but Kalil would be a nice consolation prize.

Then in the second round we need another good pick here. It's a low second so we take the BPA. I like a LB or DE possible a CB in this spot(Love Minnifield maybe here maybe in the next slot).

Third round must be Minnifield if we don't take him in the second.

No TR...

No RT in Rnd 1... ever.

And please get over your Minni-crush. He ain't his Daddy.

Zombo said:

I am keeping the faith.

Love our D-line.

Starters at LB are solid.

I think we have gotten lucky with some of secondary guys we brought in. Some nice surprises to go with studs Haden and Ward.

I like the depth of the emerging D-line, there's definitely a rotation emerging to keep legs fresh, but feel that we need an impact DE opposite Sheard. I still think Ingram's the guy.

Really not feeling our LB crew at all. Still not seeing a 4-3 crew there. Can't get past the belief that DQ needs to move out of the middle, if we're ever to stop the run. However, also not seeing a replacement at MLB on the roster and can't quite convince myself to pull the trigger on Kuechly in Rnd 1. Hightower might be there early in Rnd 2, but I doubt it... and I'm not sold on him either. Kendricks (Cal) is an intriguing 2nd Rnd possibility.

DB-wise... there's promise as there has been. And, yes, due to injury some players got time and developed, e.g., Young, but we're thin and long on promise. And yes, that includes our "studs". Speaking of thin, that's the DB class of 2012. Dre' Kirkpatrick is a must pick IMO.

@b86b said:

Pitts 2x

Balt 2x

Cincy 2x

Buff

dall

NYG

Wash

Philly

Indy

KC

Den

SD

OAK

You tell me where you see 7-9 wins against that schedule.. I could see us being 2-14 very easily, this could be a very lloongg year, will make the drives to Cleveland very long this winter.

3-3 in our division plus Buf, Dal, Wash, Indy, KC, Den and Oak. 10-6 (9-7 if Denver signs Manning)

@poeticg said:

With the number 4- don't mess around- just take Richardson if he's still there. If the Vikings get cute and take him then we're screwed but Kalil would be a nice consolation prize. We need a back in here that strikes fear into a defense but oogy boogy just makes em laugh. I want a player we can count on to be there and show up each game and that IS Trent Richardson. He has kids so I don't see him as a partying type that will be a distraction. I see him as a motivator and a leader on O once he arrives.

At 22 we need a Solid RT hmmm... that fitting TR then RT lol. Best RT if one's available or stud WR if one of those are available. We need a RT or a WR at 22. One or the other is what I'm feeling is going to be the pick. Hill/Castro/Adams/Wright

Then in the second round we need another good pick here. It's a low second so we take the BPA. I like a LB or DE possible a CB in this spot(Love Minnifield maybe here maybe in the next slot).

Third round must be Minnifield if we don't take him in the second.

Fourth Heck can use his tools and scouts to find a few more gems... here's to hoping!

We're not taking Kalil either... thats a trade down 100% in that situation

@poeticg said:

With the number 4- don't mess around- just take Richardson if he's still there. If the Vikings get cute and take him then we're screwed but Kalil would be a nice consolation prize. We need a back in here that strikes fear into a defense but oogy boogy just makes em laugh. I want a player we can count on to be there and show up each game and that IS Trent Richardson. He has kids so I don't see him as a partying type that will be a distraction. I see him as a motivator and a leader on O once he arrives.

At 22 we need a Solid RT hmmm... that fitting TR then RT lol. Best RT if one's available or stud WR if one of those are available. We need a RT or a WR at 22. One or the other is what I'm feeling is going to be the pick. Hill/Castro/Adams/Wright

Then in the second round we need another good pick here. It's a low second so we take the BPA. I like a LB or DE possible a CB in this spot(Love Minnifield maybe here maybe in the next slot).

Third round must be Minnifield if we don't take him in the second.

Fourth Heck can use his tools and scouts to find a few more gems... here's to hoping!

We're not taking Richardson.

At 22 we need a Solid RT hmmm... that fitting TR then RT lol. Best RT if one's available or stud WR if one of those are available. We need a RT or a WR at 22. One or the other is what I'm feeling is going to be the pick. Hill/Castro/Adams/Wright

Then in the second round we need another good pick here. It's a low second so we take the BPA. I like a LB or DE possible a CB in this spot(Love Minnifield maybe here maybe in the next slot).

Third round must be Minnifield if we don't take him in the second.

Fourth Heck can use his tools and scouts to find a few more gems... here's to hoping!

Holmgren is shooting for an 1 or 2 win season, get the first pick in 2013 and trade that away for more. Then in 2014, trade all those away and get more for '15. Continuing this cycle until 2020 when we have every pick in the first round. Then disperse those among the Steelers, Ravens, and Bengals so we can continue getting embarrassed and stay at the bottom of the division.

@browns57 said:

I think we will have a great draft that will put us in really good position. I have a feeling that Heckert is going to trade down again. I am thinking with the Rams at 6. The Rams get the WR they need badly, and we get take Richardson at 6 and the Rams second round pick. Then we take the Best WR on the board at 22, an olineman, and a corner or LB in the second round. If we do that we could end up with 4 really good players.

If we can pull this off then I think Holmgren could be right and we do finish with at least 7 wins.

Wouldn't get a 2nd rounder to trade down to 6. We could only get a 2 or 3 if we went down to 7 or farther. This is why I'm not sold on trading down this time when Blackmon will probably be there at 4 and WR is our biggest need.

Love our D-line.

Starters at LB are solid.

I think we have gotten lucky with some of secondary guys we brought in. Some nice surprises to go with studs Haden and Ward.

Offensively, we need a QB, a RB, a RT and a WR.

Colt is worst case scenario at QB and he can be decent.

If we get a guy you can count on to show up, that is an upgrade at RB

Draft Blackmon and a right tackle, trade for Tate and let's play ball.

Z

After being told this was a long process, fans are once again whining in droves and calling for change after 2 years.

Fickle....so damn fickle.

This is your fate....only u can change it.

@ballpeen said:

Sorry Nick....he pretty much did.

Good. We better be, if not, this bunch needs to leave. In 3 years I could win 6-7 games, be it at Coach, GM, or President.

This is a game. It doesn't take a friggen genius to get it done.

Show Me where he said he promised anything.

@browns57 said:

I think we will have a great draft that will put us in really good position. I have a feeling that Heckert is going to trade down again. I am thinking with the Rams at 6. The Rams get the WR they need badly, and we get take Richardson at 6 and the Rams second round pick. Then we take the Best WR on the board at 22, an olineman, and a corner or LB in the second round. If we do that we could end up with 4 really good players.

If we can pull this off then I think Holmgren could be right and we do finish with at least 7 wins.

Yeah I'm not going to freak out until after I see how the draft goes. Definitely need to see us draft some playmakers.